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BladeOfGod said:
disolitude said:
@bladeofgod

LOL. Do you have real link for your ">>>>>" initial post? please paste PS1 and PS2 failure rates and the official xbox 360 failure rate and show that one is greater than the other... I didn't think so.

You're just being a fanboy + 1 as usual...


360's failure rate is 32%, just google it and you'll find it. PS2 sold 138 million and lets say 3 million PS2s died (probably much less,but still...) that's much less than 15%. PS1 sold 102 million and lets say 1.5 million PS1s died. Its probably under 10%.

So, 360's failure rate >>>>> PS1 and PS2 failure rate. Face it.

Also the diffrence between PS1&PS2 and 360 is that Sony fixed their hardware problem within a year while RROD is still going on after 4 years.

Where did you get these numbers? They sound made up. Sony has had class action lawsuits filed against them, that doesn't sound like the low numbers you claim. And this was way after the launch units, with many people claiming their PS2 would break down in a matter of months.



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It is because the HD consoles are a little more high tech than a NES or wii. Overheating problems are to be expected. The xbox 360 was rushed out the door so that's why in the beggining it was so bad, but it has gotten alot better. Mine is still kickin' and it was made in fall 2007.



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Strategyking92 said:
It is because the HD consoles are a little more high tech than a NES or wii. Overheating problems are to be expected. The xbox 360 was rushed out the door so that's why in the beggining it was so bad, but it has gotten alot better. Mine is still kickin' and it was made in fall 2007.

My Elite was made in summer 2007, it was bought on the launch day for the Elite model. Lasted 2 years which is better then friends consoles and better then what I've heard from other peoples who lasted mere months. But my uncle bought an elite last Christmas and it has already RROD that doesn't really make people confident in hardware!



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I'm in the same boat as the OP. My 360 was really the only console I owned that had a major problem early in use. My SNES graphics chip finally gave out after 8-9 years of hard use. I don't put too much blame on Nintendo.

My Xbox 360 had it's disc drive go out within a year of light to moderate use. My PS1, PS2, and PS3 all worked like a charm. Same with my Sega Genesis, SNES (except as described above), GBA, GB, DS, PSP, Wii, N64, and GC.

Next gen, I'm probably sticking with Nintendo and Sony. MS products have never been very good with me, including their OS's.



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PearlJam said:
BladeOfGod said:
disolitude said:
@bladeofgod

LOL. Do you have real link for your ">>>>>" initial post? please paste PS1 and PS2 failure rates and the official xbox 360 failure rate and show that one is greater than the other... I didn't think so.

You're just being a fanboy + 1 as usual...


360's failure rate is 32%, just google it and you'll find it. PS2 sold 138 million and lets say 3 million PS2s died (probably much less,but still...) that's much less than 15%. PS1 sold 102 million and lets say 1.5 million PS1s died. Its probably under 10%.

So, 360's failure rate >>>>> PS1 and PS2 failure rate. Face it.

Also the diffrence between PS1&PS2 and 360 is that Sony fixed their hardware problem within a year while RROD is still going on after 4 years.

Where did you get these numbers? They sound made up. Sony has had class action lawsuits filed against them, that doesn't sound like the low numbers you claim. And this was way after the launch units, with many people claiming their PS2 would break down in a matter of months.

360'sa failure rate i've found here:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7892

and here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

 

PS2&PS1 sales i've found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

and i added the possible maximum number of PS2s and PS1s sold after their launch.



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Joelcool7 said:
Xoj said:

true, and i have seen a red resident evil 5 bundle E74.

Exactly how is it four years after launch that 360's still E74 or Red Ring? These problems should have been fixed along time ago. None of my prior consoles broke down on me. The fact that any of the new Jaspers RROD or E74 is enough evidance that Microsoft really hasn't improved the quality of its hardware. I want my consoles to last me 10+ years at least not bugger up.

I hope Microsoft's next X-Box doesn't share the same problem. I hope they test it well enough to make sure the hardware won't Red Ring! Here's hoping the quality of X-Box products increases next Gen. But for now 360's seem to be a pile of shit, I really hope my replacement doesn't Red Ring. I'd hate to go through this proccess again!

Does the 'fact' that the modern PS3 can still YLOD mean that Sony have gone backwards in hardware quality?

Why is it that the people who've had PS3 failures and often out of pocket are calm and reasonable (the honest ones) and the people who've had the Xbox 360 faults repaired for free spitting venom and hate everywhere? This is something I don't understand personally...

If you want a 10 year console buy a Wii, anything else is suspect especially expecting 10 years of use.



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Squilliam said:
Joelcool7 said:
Xoj said:

true, and i have seen a red resident evil 5 bundle E74.

Exactly how is it four years after launch that 360's still E74 or Red Ring? These problems should have been fixed along time ago. None of my prior consoles broke down on me. The fact that any of the new Jaspers RROD or E74 is enough evidance that Microsoft really hasn't improved the quality of its hardware. I want my consoles to last me 10+ years at least not bugger up.

I hope Microsoft's next X-Box doesn't share the same problem. I hope they test it well enough to make sure the hardware won't Red Ring! Here's hoping the quality of X-Box products increases next Gen. But for now 360's seem to be a pile of shit, I really hope my replacement doesn't Red Ring. I'd hate to go through this proccess again!

Does the 'fact' that the modern PS3 can still YLOD mean that Sony have gone backwards in hardware quality?

Why is it that the people who've had PS3 failures and often out of pocket are calm and reasonable (the honest ones) and the people who've had the Xbox 360 faults repaired for free spitting venom and hate everywhere? This is something I don't understand personally...

If you want a 10 year console buy a Wii, anything else is suspect especially expecting 10 years of use.

Personally I feel very lucky.  My PS3 bricked in just under a year.  It blew up after 11 months, and I got it repaired for free.  Can neglect kill a console, as in I hardly turn it on, kill the console?  Yes my Falcon 360 died too (RROD), but I was only upset when my PS3 died.  Just for the fact that I never use it on.  360 died and I was like hey look at that, it happened to me.  Called up MS and they asked a few questions and told me to send it in via UPS for faster responce.  I had it back in 5 days.

Basically Sony and Mircosoft both cut as many corners as they can get away with when manufacturing a console to save money.  They build them as cheap as they can and that means quality suffers for it.  Luck plays a large factor into if your console will brick or not.



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jagenjg said:
Squilliam said:

Does the 'fact' that the modern PS3 can still YLOD mean that Sony have gone backwards in hardware quality?

Why is it that the people who've had PS3 failures and often out of pocket are calm and reasonable (the honest ones) and the people who've had the Xbox 360 faults repaired for free spitting venom and hate everywhere? This is something I don't understand personally...

If you want a 10 year console buy a Wii, anything else is suspect especially expecting 10 years of use.

Personally I feel very lucky.  My PS3 bricked in just under a year.  It blew up after 11 months, and I got it repaired for free.  Can neglect kill a console, as in I hardly turn it on, kill the console?  Yes my Falcon 360 died too (RROD), but I was only upset when my PS3 died.  Just for the fact that I never use it on.  360 died and I was like hey look at that, it happened to me.  Called up MS and they asked a few questions and told me to send it in via UPS for faster responce.  I had it back in 5 days.

Basically Sony and Mircosoft both cut as many corners as they can get away with when manufacturing a console to save money.  They build them as cheap as they can and that means quality suffers for it.  Luck plays a large factor into if your console will brick or not.

I suspect its not just cheapness though. A lot of the newer materials which are better for the environment have a lower durability. Nvidia suffered a similar problem to Microsofts RROD and have paid out 300M thus far. Its more that the devices themselves are too complicated and have numerous points of failure. Its more they pushed the performance too far, your Xbox 360s and PS3s have an internal volume in proportion to a laptop and a power useage similar to a high end desktop with no real power-play or throttling of any kind to conserve power and reduce heat in idle.

 



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Squilliam said:
jagenjg said:
Squilliam said:

Does the 'fact' that the modern PS3 can still YLOD mean that Sony have gone backwards in hardware quality?

Why is it that the people who've had PS3 failures and often out of pocket are calm and reasonable (the honest ones) and the people who've had the Xbox 360 faults repaired for free spitting venom and hate everywhere? This is something I don't understand personally...

If you want a 10 year console buy a Wii, anything else is suspect especially expecting 10 years of use.

Personally I feel very lucky.  My PS3 bricked in just under a year.  It blew up after 11 months, and I got it repaired for free.  Can neglect kill a console, as in I hardly turn it on, kill the console?  Yes my Falcon 360 died too (RROD), but I was only upset when my PS3 died.  Just for the fact that I never use it on.  360 died and I was like hey look at that, it happened to me.  Called up MS and they asked a few questions and told me to send it in via UPS for faster responce.  I had it back in 5 days.

Basically Sony and Mircosoft both cut as many corners as they can get away with when manufacturing a console to save money.  They build them as cheap as they can and that means quality suffers for it.  Luck plays a large factor into if your console will brick or not.

I suspect its not just cheapness though. A lot of the newer materials which are better for the environment have a lower durability. Nvidia suffered a similar problem to Microsofts RROD and have paid out 300M thus far. Its more that the devices themselves are too complicated and have numerous points of failure. Its more they pushed the performance too far, your Xbox 360s and PS3s have an internal volume in proportion to a laptop and a power useage similar to a high end desktop with no real power-play or throttling of any kind to conserve power and reduce heat in idle.

 

this is true, everything can fail, but ps3 failure rate it's way slower, and things like lens can be easily fixed.

than a overheating console.



Joelcool7 said:
NightAntilli said:
Lol.. There are barely any reports of Jaspers with RROD or E74.. That 30+ failure rate is BS right now. It has dropped significantly. There are no numbers yet though, since Jasper just came out.

No offence but everyone said the same thing about the Falcon. Everyone said the Elite fixed the problems with the origional 360. Heck thats why I bought the Elite to begin with. I thought Microsoft had worked all the bugs out and that the Elite would be a sturdy and reliable console. But not too long after I bought mine a friends Elite died. My Elite lasted 2 years but my uncles lasted less then a year and my friends lasted about a year. However I played my 360 less then any of them did.

If they replace my hardware like many say Microsoft does. Just replacing the unit then I hope I get a Jasper. But I have no faith in Microsoft's hardware anymore. I highly doubt I'll buy the next X-Box unless their is a seriously good warranty. The 3 year warranty has protected me this time, I hope that my new unit never RROD's considering that Microsoft only gives you a 3 month warranty with the repaired console. My uncle just got his back and he's worried because it says 3 month warranty but it took his longer then 3 months to Red Ring!

Well, it's different this time because Jasper is the first one to fully be 65nm instead of 90nm. As of now, there are only a handful of reports. Hardware is never 100% reliable, so there are always some faulty ones. I can show you vids on youtube where the PS3 disk tray simply does not pull the disk in. That does not mean it's suddenly 33% failure rate. It WAS like that, but now, it's much lower. In any case, we will have to wait and see. Jaspers only came out recently. We'll only know in a few years from now. Until then, we simply don't know. One or two RE5 consoles getting RROD is not proof for failure rate still being very high.



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