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FKNetwork on 03 August 2009
JaggedSac said:

This is a good thing. The reason add ons fail is due to lack of support. With MS supporting Natal on PC, developers are more likely to create games. Games created for PC will almost assuredly be made for 360 as well. Thus, people can rest easy and buy Natal because support will definitely be there. Whether you are buying it for 360 or PC is moot, you are entering into MS plans for creating a new input device. The more Natals, the better, both for 360 users and PC users who intend to get Natal, but do not want to get a 360.

^This,

I think it's great that it's going to be on PC too, just means you will see a LOT more support for it on 360 in the long run as developers will make PC and 360 games/applications for both.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 August 2009
JaggedSac said:

This is a good thing. The reason add ons fail is due to lack of support. With MS supporting Natal on PC, developers are more likely to create games. Games created for PC will almost assuredly be made for 360 as well. Thus, people can rest easy and buy Natal because support will definitely be there. Whether you are buying it for 360 or PC is moot, you are entering into MS plans for creating a new input device. The more Natals, the better, both for 360 users and PC users who intend to get Natal, but do not want to get a 360.


Exactly.



nightsurge on 03 August 2009
Reasonable said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
nightsurge said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
greenmedic88 said:
It could conceivably make the PC a lot more viable as a living room media center.

It's just not practical for the average user to use a keyboard and mouse to flip through folders, etc. if they're using the PC in the living room from the couch.

Yeah, I know there are people on here who already have their PCs hooked up to their HDTVs, present company included, but they are a small minority among Windows PC users.

If the integration is tight with Windows 7 and it actually works well enough that it's a more convenient user interface for general purpose tasks, I know I'll be using it more with the PC than the Xbox (which I only use for games and frankly, only as a third tier gaming platform).

Exactly! You are spot on!

You guys are so off on this topic.

First S.T.A.G.E. thinks it will receive much more support and interest on the PC, thus canabilizing the 360's usage and interest.  Have you EVER heard of PC gaming?  It's been around for ages.  It offers more and better options than a console, yet for generations people keep on buying consoles.... wonder why....

Also, sure this would work great for a media center PC, but how many people use their PC's for that?  A small portion.  An even smaller portion use it as a media center hub AND have it connected directly to their big living room TV.  Most people on PC's sit within 3-5 ft of the screen, much too close for Natal to really be of any use as more than a webcam.....

The only way people would use this more on PC than on Xbox is if they prefer PC gaming AND have their gaming/multimedia theater PC hooked up in their living room.

This is bigger than PC gaming (not to say that PC/360 games sold very well on PC anyway). The applications are endless on PC though to the point where to get this product, the 360 would be an afterthought. The natal shown at E3 and during, Tonight Show with Jay Leno and the Morning Show had an insignia on it. It said..."Xbox 360". With it on PC....I myself would probably have no need to buy it on the 360. It's already devalued its use to the 360 for me. 

That's you.  I don't believe that the majority will see it that way.  360 owners will either want Natal or not based on what it offers and, primarily I believe, what it offers for gaming.  Whether it takes off on PC or not will not be a major factor for the majority IMO.

Looking at the trailer for Natal, the impression I got though was that MS wasn't massively thinking about the average 360 owner (at least as presented) but at a potential new breed of 360 owners (who all looked suspiciously like who I imagine MS believes are currently Wii centric owners in principle).

So I understand it's devalued Natal for you personally, but I doubt it will overall devalue Natal for the majority.

 

He also missed the big part of my post where I explained why Natal would only be a viable option to those who have their PC's in their living room hooked up to their HDTV's.

Also, sure this would work great for a media center PC, but how many people use their PC's for that?  A small portion.  An even smaller portion use it as a media center hub AND have it connected directly to their big living room TV.  Most people on PC's sit within 3-5 ft of the screen, much too close for Natal to really be of any use as more than a webcam.....

The majority of PC owners will not even be able to meet the minimum settings of most modern games.  If they have a recent PC at about the $500 range, they probably have all the settings met EXCEPT the video card, which most normal home users will not know how to upgrade or want to deal with it.  Having Natal on both PC and 360 will not damage either platform.  If anything it will bolster both by giving developers a much larger potential audience.  I can guarantee Natal will sell more and be more popular on 360 than PC,  though.



sguy78 on 03 August 2009

They are trying to make as much profit from this as possible.



Zizzla_Rachet on 03 August 2009

I'm not bothered at all by this...it's MS and for things PC's are what they really do



 



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LordMatrix on 03 August 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Aion said:
Good and Natal is only a Microsoft Exclusive. Natal will be big.


Anyone with a PC can have access to it as well. The problem with Microsoft is that their ambition goes far beyond the gaming industry.

So whats the problem? Pc's may one day use this same type of technology. Why should this even be a concern? This won't effect the X360 at all but it sure might help make Microsoft more profits which in turn might come back to us in the form of more X360 titles perhaps. So I can see nothing but good if all goes well.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 04 August 2009
LordMatrix said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Aion said:
Good and Natal is only a Microsoft Exclusive. Natal will be big.


Anyone with a PC can have access to it as well. The problem with Microsoft is that their ambition goes far beyond the gaming industry.

So whats the problem? Pc's may one day use this same type of technology. Why should this even be a concern? This won't effect the X360 at all but it sure might help make Microsoft more profits which in turn might come back to us in the form of more X360 titles perhaps. So I can see nothing but good if all goes well.


Exactly. People who want to play with Natal can look further than the Xbox 360. They already have before. You're right, this is about profit, so who cares right?



nightsurge on 04 August 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
LordMatrix said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Aion said:
Good and Natal is only a Microsoft Exclusive. Natal will be big.


Anyone with a PC can have access to it as well. The problem with Microsoft is that their ambition goes far beyond the gaming industry.

So whats the problem? Pc's may one day use this same type of technology. Why should this even be a concern? This won't effect the X360 at all but it sure might help make Microsoft more profits which in turn might come back to us in the form of more X360 titles perhaps. So I can see nothing but good if all goes well.


Exactly. People who want to play with Natal can look further than the Xbox 360. They already have before. You're right, this is about profit, so who cares right?

So in other words this will have no affect on the current situation.  People who already looked past the 360 for PC gaming will be the ones getting Natal on PC.  People who prefer consoles will still get Natal on 360.

Looks like Natal is not devalued just as the 360 itself is not devalued.  There are console players and there are PC players.  There are even some who do both and still get a 360 over a PS3 or Wii.

And again, you are ignoring the main problem of Natal on PC that I've brought up 3 times now and you keep conveniently skipping over:

Also, sure this would work great for a media center PC, but how many people use their PC's for that?  A small portion.  An even smaller portion use it as a media center hub AND have it connected directly to their big living room TV.  Most people on PC's sit within 2-5 ft of the screen, much too close for Natal to really be of any use as more than a webcam.....



Zomb1337 on 05 August 2009

Meaning that Natal can be used for 360 & PC.....why does that matter?!



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