AdventWolf said: @evil - http://www.xboxer.tv/2007/10/halo_3_helps_xbox_360_make_a_p.html *several months later if you can take your link = -$126 for each console, then you can take this and say +$ for each console.

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4487

^ but as a whole they still made a loss

evil_kenshin said: AdventWolf said: @evil - http://www.xboxer.tv/2007/10/halo_3_helps_xbox_360_make_a_p.html *several months later if you can take your link = -$126 for each console, then you can take this and say +$ for each console. http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4487 ^ but as a whole they still made a loss

I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm disagreeing to the fact that they lose $126 per console sold. Since you say it still holds true today.

AdventWolf said: evil_kenshin said: AdventWolf said: @evil - http://www.xboxer.tv/2007/10/halo_3_helps_xbox_360_make_a_p.html *several months later if you can take your link = -$126 for each console, then you can take this and say +$ for each console. http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4487 ^ but as a whole they still made a loss I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm disagreeing to the fact that they lose $126 per console sold. Since you say it still holds true today.

sorry was thinking you were disagreeing with the fact microsoft are losing money.

But it may not still be true today, but your link is flawed it never mentions the cost of the console, it just said halo 3 boosted xbox 360 sales, not that microsoft lost/gain money for each console sold.

evil_kenshin said: AdventWolf said: evil_kenshin said: AdventWolf said: @evil - http://www.xboxer.tv/2007/10/halo_3_helps_xbox_360_make_a_p.html *several months later if you can take your link = -$126 for each console, then you can take this and say +$ for each console. http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4487 ^ but as a whole they still made a loss I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm disagreeing to the fact that they lose $126 per console sold. Since you say it still holds true today. sorry was thinking you were disagreeing with the fact microsoft are losing money. But it may not still be true today, but your link is flawed it never mentions the cost of the console, it just said halo 3 boosted xbox 360 sales, not that microsoft lost/gain money for each console sold.

That is exactly why I posted it, no where in your link: http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/784/784045p1.html

does it say that "miscrosoft lost/gain money for each console sold." It does however, say that it helped MS make a profit.

AdventWolf said: evil_kenshin said: AdventWolf said: evil_kenshin said: AdventWolf said: @evil - http://www.xboxer.tv/2007/10/halo_3_helps_xbox_360_make_a_p.html *several months later if you can take your link = -$126 for each console, then you can take this and say +$ for each console. http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=4487 ^ but as a whole they still made a loss I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm disagreeing to the fact that they lose $126 per console sold. Since you say it still holds true today. sorry was thinking you were disagreeing with the fact microsoft are losing money. But it may not still be true today, but your link is flawed it never mentions the cost of the console, it just said halo 3 boosted xbox 360 sales, not that microsoft lost/gain money for each console sold. That is exactly why I posted it, no where in your link: http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/784/784045p1.html does it say that "miscrosoft lost/gain money for each console sold." It does however, say that it helped MS make a profit.

its fair to speculate based on the gamespot article from 2005 that this would still hold true though. Microsoft is loosing money on xbox 360, so theres no proof that suddenly their making profit on each xbox sold when the price back in 2005 lost them $126 per console sold, the figure would be the same or slightly smaller (but wouldn't be a profit).

Undying said: Price cut won't happen anytime soon. Sony wants to make money, not lose money. A price cut would just widen the already hemorrhaging PS3 division. Think of it this way. You have a banana and you are selling it for $2.00, but it cost you $2.50 to grow (You were originally selling it for $3.00 but only hardcore banana fans bought it and no one else, so you had to quickly drop the price.). Now no one is buying it from you because your rival is selling fruit for $1.50. Well if you cut the price to $1.50 then you are losing $1 on every banana you sell. Now class, how long do you think the banana salesmen will stay in business if he took that $1 loss per banana?

Terrible analogy and nothing like the present situation...

@evil -
So if the $126 figures from 2005 hold true, then the figures from 2006 about the PS3 must still hold true?

Technology evolves and things become cheaper to manufacture over time. It's common sense that things become cheaper to produce over time.

I'd also like to add this in from your article:

"Microsoft has blamed a 20% drop in revenues for the company's Entertainment and Devices division on a slow-down in Xbox 360 sales"

This means: Because there has been a slow down in 360 sales, the revenues are dropping.
Which means: If we sold more 360s then our revenues would be up.
Which means: If we sell more then we won't lose as much.
Which means: They can't lose $126 on each console because if they did then they wouldn't be worrying about sliding 360 sales if they are going to lose the same amount of money, even though they are blaming the revenue drops on the 360. Which contradicts itself.

evil_kenshin said: pterodactyl said: evil_kenshin said: pterodactyl said: evil_kenshin said: pterodactyl said: Arius Dion said: How long or how big an impact would a price cut have? Some make it seem like doing these two things will bring PS3 roaring back, where I see it as a short term shot in the arm, after the price cut fails to really stimulate PS3 sales..then what? A price cut and/or a slim model would be like putting a band-aid on a shotgun wound. The PS3 was essentially the suicide of Sony's gaming division.   So, yes, dead console walking. No not really, even looking at the recent gamefaqs poll close to 66% of people either owned or wanted a PS3. Most people are holding out for a price cut , more sales = better for console as a whole. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3530   The ps3 is not a dead console walking, as despites its price point it has already overtaken 1 of the 3's last gen consoles in sales (gamecube ) & in the next few months will surpass another (xbox), now nintendo obviously didn't die after the gamecube so why say sony would?.   Because neither Nintendo nor MS lost money on their last gen consoles, and neither got financially gutted the way Sony has the last quarter. Incorrect , The xbox lost microsoft 4 billion.  http://www.joystiq.com/2005/09/26/forbes-xbox-lost-microsoft-4-billion-and-counting/ MS probably had/has revenues to make up for that from Windows, Zune, XBL, Bill Gates' sofa, etc. But this proves that you are talking out of your ass so to speak, your making stuff up on the spot just to bag sony. If u have a look you'll notice that microsoft lost alot of money on the xbox.  Even with 360 it hasn't been exactly profitable, in fact they lose $126 US per console sold. Just have a simple look up next time rather than try and state something as fact when its wrong.

Game. Set. Match.

^^But he needs to make sure MS loses $126 on each console before he

"Just have a simple look up next time rather than try and state something as fact when its wrong."

Oh and to get back on topic - The PS3 of course isn't a dead console walking, far from it.
Its still kicking.

AdventWolf said: ^^But he needs to make sure MS loses $126 on each console before he "Just have a simple look up next time rather than try and state something as fact when its wrong." Oh and to get back on topic - The PS3 of course isn't a dead console walking, far from it. Its still kicking.

He still at least provided sources from where he got the number from. Also judging by MS' last 2 quarters the gaming division isn't really booming. But I agree. It's less than 126. Just like how I was one of the only ones saying Ps3 probablly loses less than 100 dollars per console when the isupply estimate came in. "No way it's that cheap they have to be losing at least 100 per console blah blah blah..." Sony - "We are losing 10% per console"