I don't mean to sound hostile, but the stupidity of people like Manos really needs shooting down.

For what it's worth, I really enjoy console gaming. I have a Wii for the kids and if I could afford an 'HD' console, I'd get one. It's not a rival to PC gaming, it's complementary. To cut yourself off from one or the other is dumb. To pretend that you can't game cheaply and more than adequately on a PC is equally dumb.

There's another one. 15- 20 million PC gamers on Steam, the biggest hardware survey going, and it's supposed to be ignored to make some dumb ass point about a $400 build needing a mouse and a keyboard.

Calling people stupid does not prove your point. Now be a good boy and find me those few games 20-25$ cheaper, will you?

You have to count those stuff to your computer build. You don't get a mouse/kb/gamepad/OS for free.

It does if they're stupid, which you are. Seriously, you're really, really dumb.

PC.

360.

Count up the mutli-plats, compare their RRPs and current prices, and report back when you're done. Oh, and then ponder the words 'your mileage may vary' and wonder why you're still pressing this point when you haven't the slightest clue what I would have bought, when I would have bought it and how much I've saved over the last couple of years on buying PC games v console games.

Unless you already have them, of course. Which was the point all along.

Mudface said: It does if they're stupid, which you are. Seriously, you're really, really dumb. PC. 360. Count up the mutli-plats, compare their RRPs and current prices, and report back when you're done. Oh, and then ponder the words 'your mileage may vary' and wonder why you're still pressing this point when you haven't the slightest clue what I would have bought, when I would have bought it and how much I've saved over the last couple of years on buying PC games v console games. You have to count those stuff to your computer build. You don't get a mouse/kb/gamepad/OS for free. Unless you already have them, of course. Which was the point all along.

Grow a pair, will you?

Now I gave you 3 examples and you failed to find them 20-25$ cheaper so there is nothing to argue. You are just plain wrong and trying to hide that behind your arrogance.

 

Let me think for a second. YOU have those but not everyone has them. When a guy said that building a pc is cheaper than buying a 360 then you will have to assume that you are building from scratch. Is it so hard for you to understand?

Ugh.....

In a post, he gave the price of Fallout 3's Xbox 360 (24.99) and PC (14.99) versions in UK price and when the difference (10) is converted to USD (something he stated as well), that's just under $17. However, those prices are discounted from the full cost and when that's taken into account (49.99- Xbox 360, 34.99- PC), that's a difference (15) of about $25 in USD.

Here in the US, we can usually expect PC games to retail for $50 while PS3/360 games are at $60.

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Still, this argument is dumb to begin with and I believe it's just a troll attempt.

OK.

COD 4, COD 5, COD 6, Wolfenstein, Dragon Age, Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, Fallout 3, Dead Space, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Mass Effect, Street Fighter 4. All cheaper by £10 or more on Amazon or the Amazon Marketplace. I would carry on, but I've now lost the will to live.

And is it so hard for you to understand that it DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE CHEAP AS CHIPS ANYWAY. Take away the 360 Live sub if you're that arsed. Christ, the price of an extra wireless controller is as much as a new mouse and keyboard.

Mudface said: OK. COD 4, COD 5, COD 6, Wolfenstein, Dragon Age, Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, Fallout 3, Dead Space, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Mass Effect, Street Fighter 4. All cheaper by £10 or more on Amazon or the Amazon Marketplace. I would carry on, but I've now lost the will to live. Let me think for a second. YOU have those but not everyone has them. When a guy said that building a pc is cheaper than buying a 360 then you will have to assume that you are building from scratch. Is it so hard for you to understand? And is it so hard for you to understand that it DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE CHEAP AS CHIPS ANYWAY. Take away the 360 Live sub if you're that arsed. Christ, the price of an extra wireless controller is as much as a new mouse and keyboard.

Ok. Back to cherry picking and what is funny, failing at it. Let's see. I will use this site for prices and checking only released titles:

http://www.find-dvd.co.uk/videoGames.aspx

 

COD 4 is actually 20$ cheaper for pc, kudos for that!

COD 5 - 28£ pc version, 24£ 360 version. No, not 20-25$ cheaper.

Fallout 3 - 13£ pc version, 23£ 360 version. No, not 20-25$ cheaper.

Dead Space - 7,73£ pc version, 12,73£ 360 version. No, not 20-25$ cheaper.

Left 4 dead - 25£ pc version, 30£ 360 version. No, not 20-25$ cheaper.

Mass effect - 7,39£ pc version, 12£ 360 version. What do you know, not 20-25$ cheaper.

Street fighter 4 - 17,73£ pc version, 20£ 360 version. Oh my god, once again. Not 20-25$ cheaper.

 

Those are the released titles you picked. Out of those unreleased titles I would like to point out wolfenstein:

 

http://www.find-dvd.co.uk/videoGamePrices.aspx?game=B0026FCH26

http://www.find-dvd.co.uk/videoGamePrices.aspx?game=B0026FCGZO

 

OMG!!! 360 version is cheaper!?11

 

Cheap as chips =/= free. Also I would like to see a "cheap as chips" windows vista or whatever OS is needed to run all the games. Can you show me that OS for the price of chips? Heck, I am feeling generous. For the price of fish AND chips.

Almost forgot. You don't NEED a live subscription or ANOTHER controller to play on 360 but you DO NEED a mouse, keyboard and operating system to PLAY on pc.

 

 

 

 

 

All you're really telling me there, is that PC games are cheaper than 360 games. The $20-25 figure really seems to have rattled you, judging by the amount of work you're putting into this. A I've posted on at least a couple of occasions- 'your mileage may vary'. I (note the emphasis) tend to buy games soon after they're released, that way I save $20-25 (or around £15 in proper money) per game. You (or someone else) might not, but you'll still be saving money. Conveniently, you've decided to ignore new and future releases as it tends to prove what I'm saying- they're generally (not the word generally there, before you start getting all autistic about things) £10-15 cheaper on release or pre-order.

If you're going to be utterly pedantic about it, then try $5 (for games older than about a year)-$25 (for new releases). You'll still save money, you'll still make up the cost of the graphics card that made your PC into a gaming machine, it just will take you a bit longer.

No. Check the links- all the sub-£25 prices given on the 360 page actually link to PC versions of the game. The cheapest price there for the 360 version is actually £37.85, over £13 more than the PC version. Oooh, and £13 is about $22, which funnily enough falls into the $20-25 range. How odd. Just like Dragon Age, Left 4 Dead 2, COD 6 and the new Operation Flashpoint.



*patiently explains yet again* Now listen carefully, because this doesn't seem to be getting through to you- if you have a mouse, keyboard and OS, you don't have to shell out for them again. If you don't, you have to pay extra, but you'll be able to reuse them next time you build a new PC or upgrade. The final price for the build is more, but if you choose wisely, not by much.

If you're really strapped for cash or are going for the ultimate budget build, there are plenty of games that run under Wine on Linux, which is free and constantly being updated. Full list here Personally, I wouldn't choose to do so, as I'm a Windows developer, and also I'd be cutting myself off from games that won't run, along with new releases, potentially. But there again, you'd be cutting yourself off from a large slice of 360 gaming if you didn't have a Live sub or an extra controller.

IllegalPaladin said: Ugh..... In a post, he gave the price of Fallout 3's Xbox 360 (24.99) and PC (14.99) versions in UK price and when the difference (10) is converted to USD (something he stated as well), that's just under $17. However, those prices are discounted from the full cost and when that's taken into account (49.99- Xbox 360, 34.99- PC), that's a difference (15) of about $25 in USD. Here in the US, we can usually expect PC games to retail for $50 while PS3/360 games are at $60. --- Still, this argument is dumb to begin with and I believe it's just a troll attempt.

Not on my part, it's not. I'm just trying to explain to someone who seems incredibly slow on the uptake, how I've saved enough money on buying PC rather than console games to pay for the extra component in my PC (the graphics card) which makes it capable of playing games. I've pointed out repeatedly that it might be different for other people, but sadly that doesn't seem good enough for Manos, who seems to just keep posting dodgy lists and making silly, ignorant comments about mice and keyboards.