bigdom2786 said:
big_boss said:
Obama has made too many mistakes in his short time in office. After his four years are up he'll start saying " Bush left me a big mess its going to take another four years to clean it up, just give me four more." The last thing we need is someone pointing the finger at someone else for mistakes they were elected to fix but couldn't because there surrounded by idiots.
You know some of problems like the economy can be fixed by just drilling oil and getting rid of the Income Tax. Use some of the oil we drill and exporting the rest. Then use the profits for a alternative fuels program that way we can shift easily from one fuel to another when we're ready.
By getting rid of Income Tax the government can cut the amount they tax us weekly which would give us more to spend weekly, plus instead of getting that amount all at once ( Income Tax refund ) we get small amounts over time making things more stable I think?
The biggest problem we have is no matter who we elect in office they put party first, people second and thats when we get screwed.
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Excuse me...but do people really think he's supposed to be perfect and magically fix all our problems in just a few months...its kinda hard to to have bipartisianship when teh other party is at your throat 24/7. Drillin oil btw was what got us in most of problems in the first place...Tho the last comment I agree fully on....it's always their agendas first and the people second...that's why we got into this mess in the first place.
I expect his rating to go down because people thoughthe would be the miracle worker when he's just a man. All the president really does is give the final say on things...and even then that can be overturned....if you guys wanna put blame anywhere go to Congress and the Senate. The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama actually knows what he's talking about aside from the health care issue ( I dont think anyone knows what the fuck they're talking about) and Bush looks like he was being forcefed the info as he was speaking.
Oh and if Mccain/Palin won...we wouldve been a hell of a lot worse.....like WW3 worse.
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Fix everything? Of course not. Make progress rather than make things worse? Absolutely.
Note I don't agree/support big_boss' plan to be perfectly clear.
I do have to correct you on this point however, the president doesn't "just give the final say" - Historically he has been heavily involved in the formation and direction of new legislation, this is especially true of signature legislation that he campaigned on and promised to deliver.
As for Obama knowing what he is talking about...nothing could be so obviously further from the truth. Obama doesn't have a clue when it comes to the economy, health-care, taxes, or really anything that isn't giving a speach or community organizing. During the campaign he and his followers admitted as much saying he would have advisers who knew these issues that could advise him. The man has never run a business, never met a payroll, has no experience with the health-care industry and his only experience is basically 2 years in the senate (strictly speaking 4 but he was gone half the time campaigning), and anyone can tell you a legislative position is starkly different from an executive one. The only time prior to being elected he had ever held any executive position he spent $100 million dollars on education reform in Chicago and when it was all spent his own assessment concluded they had a negligible impact on the schools....this same story has now repeated itself with the stimulus bill but the stimulus bill is 7,000 times more money - but federal dollars both times.
The fact is he is lying out his ass constantly about the stimulus and health-care to cover. Examples?
- On the one hand he says "nobody is talking about cuts to medicare benefits" even though he himself had done so back in june.
- He constantly talks about a public "option" to provide "competition" and "free market spirit" but anyone who is even partially informed on the issue understands that employers would take the cost savings of dumping their private plans (even with the 8% knock) and push employees onto the public plan thus shoving private insurance out of business probably within the decade. He knows his free market rhetoric is BS, and so do those on the left who understand that this is a ploy to get Government run health-care by any means necessary. I can dig up footage of lefties readily admitting this if I need to.
- When stimulus is being discussed Obama says it is to help "immediately" and it needs to help people "right now"....but then once the thing is passed he says "As I made clear at the time it was passed, the recovery plan was not designed to work in four months" - His own words. Granted the latter half of the latter statement is correct, but the former part of that statement is an outright lie - he and his people did their absolute best to obfuscate just how little the plan was going to do in the short term. If he hadn't hidden this fact the bill probably would have died in debate...which is why he pushed it.
- Then you have Biden saying 'the stimulus wasn't supposed to jolt the economy' even though he had previously referred to it in a white house press release as not only a jolt but a "big jolt" - "...we also came forward with what we're going to talk about today, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, an initial big jolt to give the economy a real head start."
Obama's work thus far is abysmal. The best he has to offer is made up stats of "jobs saved" which nobody can actually verify and much of the jobs the stimulus did create are temporary with several having terminated thus putting those people back into unemployment lines. Outside of that he and the left has the "just imagine" rhetoric which asks you to 'imagine what it would have been like without his plan!' We don't have to imagine, as he showed us himself : we would be much better off. And given that that graph is his assessment it is a safe bet it painted the prettiest picture he could get it to show without outright making things up (this is standard political stuff and I don't fault him for it - just to be clear). Meaning he gave himself leeway for what he thought would happen under his plan so he could claim "wow it worked even better than we hoped!" in the event it went well and so that in the event it went poorly he would have some breathing room (again I don't fault him for this - in fact it would worry me if he hadn't because not putting forth some effort to manage expectations would be a huge blunder on his part).
