Death2009 said: Death man, why does a postive Nintendo post have to be propaganda? I just think you are blind to whats actually going on in this industry. I am aware and you may not be. It is propaganda because it is designed to make nintendo look good and all others look bad. I am not pleased with the direction of the industry at all, I have every right to be.

OriGin said: But I'm not pro Nintendo I just think saying that it's Nintendo propaganda is baseless... I don't know if I like the way the industry is going either... But I haven't seen you be very pro Xbox at all... Do you just not like the way the industry is going because no one is buying you're favourite console? If you are one who likes hardcore complicated fun good looking games, then shouldn't you be more than happy? There are two consoles with some excellent power vying for your gaming dollar??? And there should be PLENTY of games between them both to keep you happy!? Just because the Wii has mainstream potential and is taking control of the mainstream, shouldn't that be better for you? There will be less rubbish on the console you favour and more on the Wii, more of an excuse for you not to buy one or own one? I personally am in too minds about myself as a gamer now... I like Nintendo's philosophy - as on one hand they are trying to make games fun for everyone again... slowly but surely (unless it's a REALLY good RPG or a REALLY good FPS) i've been losing interest in completing games... honestly, I have really not completed that many games lately, and I don't like that... the REALLY good RPG's and FPS's are too few and far between to satisfy my urges... I judge the quality of a game on how much it draws me in, how much it makes me want to pick up and play... I hate it when I get a game and I try to play it and try to enjoy it and then just get bored with it very quickly and then put it down not to play it any more... I need games to give me that drive and that want to continue playing. The reason I like Nintendo's philosophy is because they are trying to cater for this market, they want to draw me in with something simple and addictive. I'll be honest, the game I play the most right now at this point in time (and has lasted me at least 2 months) is Tetris DS. I get the draw and the want to play it more than anything else at the moment. I think next will be Half Life 2 Episode 2 and then perhaps Blue Dragon... but other than that, there really isn't that much on the horizon for me in 2007.

OriGin said: So where do you sit at the moment? Yes... I hate this too, I hate companies trying to shove crud down my throat because 'they say so' yet it's not actually true... I think the market follows these sentiments also... Sony has been BAAAADDDD with their online PR lately and that hurts them A LOT.

Kwaad said: It amazes me tho. Go read the reviews on motorstorm. Everyone says 'shallow' I just wanna say, I have put over 20 hours in the game, and I'm still getting better times... EVERY LAP. Shallow... Yet 20hours dosent master it. Someone is spewing crap. (do I suck? Let's just say every race I've done so far, I have gold) EDIT: The other thing is. Most everyone who HAS a PS3... Loves the machine... HATES the lack of software... How is the PS3 itself crap? Then you have those rich people who 'inheret' their money, and arent... that smart... ;) And dont like a good complex game. Once again. Let me sell my cult game agian. http://egosoft.com The most damn complex game you'll ever play. One of the best games ever I feel... EDIT2: If you think you can beat X3 without dying... at least once... Even after you've seen thousands of hours playing it... Your crazy. Sometimes... You go into a system with a mad mo-fo pirate. He shoots a BIG missle at you... and your ship blows up. Whoa? What happend? My ship was at full health... and then blew up?!?! NO FAIR!!! It's called. "Dont go there when Bad-Mofo pirate is there."

Kwaad said: I just wanna point out a Wii could be sold for 100$ with minimal losses... ;) A PS3 will cost less than 150$ to make before the PS4 comes out. I promise. The PS4 will have 4-8x more power than a PS3. ;)

Death2009 said: Kwaad said: I just wanna point out a Wii could be sold for 100$ with minimal losses... ;) A PS3 will cost less than 150$ to make before the PS4 comes out. I promise. The PS4 will have 4-8x more power than a PS3. ;) I doubt all 3. I think the PS4 will be half the PS3's power..if that.

Kwaad said: Death2009 said: Kwaad said: I just wanna point out a Wii could be sold for 100$ with minimal losses... ;) A PS3 will cost less than 150$ to make before the PS4 comes out. I promise. The PS4 will have 4-8x more power than a PS3. ;) I doubt all 3. I think the PS4 will be half the PS3's power..if that. Ummm... A PS2 6 years ago. (when they first came out) cost around 350$ to make. Sold them for 300$. Today Sony makes a PS2 for around 50$. And sells them for 125$. In 6 years, if sony made a PS4 have half the power of a PS3... it could cost them around 50$ to make. Death - You obviously dont know about how chip prices half every 18months. 600/300/150/75$ 1.5/3/4.5/6 In 6 years the PS3 will cost Sony roughly 75-100$ EDIT: I also wanna say the Wii is about 20-30% the power of a PS3. You say you doubt the Wii could be sold for 100$ with minimal losses? CPU - 15$ GPU - 15$ DVD - 9$ (it's a noisy cheapo) buttons/fans/case - 25$ nunchuck/wiimote - 20$ 15+15+9+25+20 = 84$ EDIT2: My CPU/GPU is probibally 30 combined total, low. I'd say total it costs ~115$ http://www.younewb.com/index.php/2006/12/14/the-wii-just-the-console-only-costs-158-to-make/[/quote] Try to remember that if it costs 158 to make they will sell it wholesale to the stores for more than that, and the stores will sell it to you even higher. But I will have to double and triple check your statement.