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twesterm on 20 July 2009
Dodece said:
All of the above are piracy. You can make all the convoluted arguments you like, but the fact that you are making arguments means your trying to justify your acts. You do this, because you know you are doing something wrong. There is such a thing as aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise. Every time you download pirated games you are supported the practice by others. Others who may not even bother to create a facade of justification. Harboring a criminal is still a crime even if you do not commit the crime yourself.

Also for the record purchases prior to sale or intent are poor justifications. You still have the option to avail yourself of lemon laws, return, or cancellation policies. How are the authorities to determine whether your motivation was genuine. What is to prevent you from saying boy this game sucks I better cancel that order. Nothing whatsoever you think your committed, but in the reality of the situation you really aren't.

Wait a couple weeks it isn't going to kill you. Most of us use this thing called will power, and we also understand the concept of deferred gratification. You actually have a choice. You should make the right one. Do not add to the problem stand above it.

Pretty much this.

And yes, you are aiding and abetting when you torrent things because after you download it, you are helping others download it.

For fun, we can use the car example again.  Lets say you go buy a brand new car, pay for it, start your loans and everything but that brand new car is in such demand in your area that you have to wait 2 months to get it!  Would it be right to just take one off the lot because you don't want to wait?



 

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Onyxmeth on 20 July 2009
twesterm said:
Dodece said:
All of the above are piracy. You can make all the convoluted arguments you like, but the fact that you are making arguments means your trying to justify your acts. You do this, because you know you are doing something wrong. There is such a thing as aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise. Every time you download pirated games you are supported the practice by others. Others who may not even bother to create a facade of justification. Harboring a criminal is still a crime even if you do not commit the crime yourself.

Also for the record purchases prior to sale or intent are poor justifications. You still have the option to avail yourself of lemon laws, return, or cancellation policies. How are the authorities to determine whether your motivation was genuine. What is to prevent you from saying boy this game sucks I better cancel that order. Nothing whatsoever you think your committed, but in the reality of the situation you really aren't.

Wait a couple weeks it isn't going to kill you. Most of us use this thing called will power, and we also understand the concept of deferred gratification. You actually have a choice. You should make the right one. Do not add to the problem stand above it.

Pretty much this.

And yes, you are aiding and abetting when you torrent things because after you download it, you are helping others download it.

For fun, we can use the car example again.  Lets say you go buy a brand new car, pay for it, start your loans and everything but that brand new car is in such demand in your area that you have to wait 2 months to get it!  Would it be right to just take one off the lot because you don't want to wait?

What? That is so not the same thing as what the OP is talking about. Why even bother using a car example at all? You could have subbed in Target and taking a game off the shelf in exchange for your car example and it still would have had no relation to this.

What you should have explained to him is that if he pays for a car coming out in America, has it ordered already, and Japan gets the car a month earlier, is he allowed to download a copy of the car over the internet? Now that is something to think about.



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invetedlotus123 on 20 July 2009

Region Lock system is terrible, this is why I love PS3 so much. I really don't see why doing this, if you pretend to release a game in just one region (Japan the best example) a game that have it's public worldwide like anime games you should put English option and allow it be imported. It's just stupid, and just serve to make people waits years for a game. Glad PS3 is region free, S-E will be forced to release FFXIII and Versus simultaneosly in EU and Americas, other way people in EU will import this game so much from America that the game when officially release in EU will sell like shit.



ameratsu on 20 July 2009

You've already ordered it, so I see absolutely no problem here. Though I'd even support pirating games that aren't brought to your region (ie: Disaster Day of Crisis), as through region locking they are saying they don't want you to pay for it.



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Pyro as Bill on 20 July 2009
twesterm said:
Dodece said:
All of the above are piracy. You can make all the convoluted arguments you like, but the fact that you are making arguments means your trying to justify your acts. You do this, because you know you are doing something wrong. There is such a thing as aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise. Every time you download pirated games you are supported the practice by others. Others who may not even bother to create a facade of justification. Harboring a criminal is still a crime even if you do not commit the crime yourself.

Also for the record purchases prior to sale or intent are poor justifications. You still have the option to avail yourself of lemon laws, return, or cancellation policies. How are the authorities to determine whether your motivation was genuine. What is to prevent you from saying boy this game sucks I better cancel that order. Nothing whatsoever you think your committed, but in the reality of the situation you really aren't.

Wait a couple weeks it isn't going to kill you. Most of us use this thing called will power, and we also understand the concept of deferred gratification. You actually have a choice. You should make the right one. Do not add to the problem stand above it.

Pretty much this.

And yes, you are aiding and abetting when you torrent things because after you download it, you are helping others download it.

For fun, we can use the car example again.  Lets say you go buy a brand new car, pay for it, start your loans and everything but that brand new car is in such demand in your area that you have to wait 2 months to get it!  Would it be right to just take one off the lot because you don't want to wait?

I downloaded it without using torrents.

The car example doesn't really work because you can't 'back up'(pardon the pun) a car. The lot is -1 car but same number of sales. Nintendo is neither -1 game or -1 sales.

I don't pirate games, never have but I have no problem downloading a leaked/region unreleased game that I have already paid for or preordered.



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Squilliam on 20 July 2009

I will only download under 3 circumstances:

1. I own the game and it legitimately breaks. Since I don't own the game itself, but a licence to use the game I feel justified. The physical disc is just a medium. Also if the game gets stolen as well, since I paid for it.

2. The game is unable to be aquired unless unreasonable steps are taken (out of print), I.E im not ebaying a game for $140 or one not available at all. Noone could possibly lose because noone cares enough to sell the game.

3. Its a free demo or released to the community.

However I will pay for a game again if the game has been say re-released for Vista. I paid for Prince of Persia the other day again even though I own it. It takes work to rework a game and they deserve the money I give them for it.

Also the instant I see a game released which I had considered unable to be aquired I would buy a licence to a legitimate copy.

3.



Tease.

Gearbox on 20 July 2009

yes it is.

people dont realize this but for ROMS and EMULATORS, it is illegal even if u own a copy of the game. look up the legal issues on the nintendo website.



Pyro as Bill on 20 July 2009

I suppose a good analogy would be subscribing to cable/satellite in your own country but downloading an episode of your favorite TV show that has been aired elsewhere early.



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Onyxmeth on 20 July 2009
Pyro as Bill said:
I suppose a good analogy would be subscribing to cable/satellite in your own country but downloading an episode of your favorite TV show that has been aired elsewhere early.

It's good, but it's not better than my downloading a car over the internet analogy. That one surely opened up some eyes.



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Words Of Wisdom on 20 July 2009
Pyro as Bill said:

1. If you download a game that you are really looking forward to that is available now in another region but you have to wait weeks or more in your own region. You have already preordered the game and intend to pay for it.

2. Same as above but you have actually paid for your pre-order before the game is released.

3. The game is released and you've snagged a great online bargain but will take 1 week to arrive, you can't wait a week and so download it.

(Wii Sports Resort is awesome!! )

Game piracy is the act of illegally obtaining a copy of a game so it doesn't even matter if you pay for it or even if you play it.


I'm surprised so many people in this thread fail to realize this.