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Cheney kept CIA program from Congress, source says

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/11/cheney.surveillance/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CIA withheld information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress during the Bush administration on direct orders from then-Vice President Dick Cheney, current CIA director Leon Panetta told members of Congress, a knowledgeable source confirmed to CNN.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney reportedly ordered the CIA to withhold information about counterterrorism.

The disclosure to the House and Senate intelligence committees about Cheney's involvement by Panetta was first reported in the New York Times. Efforts to contact Cheney for reaction were unsuccessful late Saturday.

The source who spoke to CNN did not want to be identified by name because the matter is classified, and CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano declined comment on the report.

"It's not agency practice to discuss what may or may not have been said in a classified briefing," Gimigliano said. "When a CIA unit brought this matter to Director Panetta's attention, it was with the recommendation that it be shared with Congress. That was also his view, and he took swift, decisive action to put it into effect."

The fact that Panetta recently briefed lawmakers on an unspecified counterterrorism program was first revealed Wednesday, when a letter from seven House Democrats to Panetta was made public. The June 26 letter characterizes Panetta as testifying that the CIA "concealed significant actions from all members of Congress, and misled members for a number of years from 2001 to this week."

The letter contained no details about what information the CIA officials allegedly concealed or how they purportedly misled members of Congress.

A knowledgeable source familiar with the matter said the counterterrorism program in question was initiated shortly after the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

The program was on-again, off-again and was never fully operational, but was rather, a tool put on the shelf that could have been used, the source said. Panetta has put an end to the program, according to the source.

The disclosures follow a May spat between the spy agency and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who accused the CIA of misleading Congress during a secret 2002 briefing on harsh interrogation techniques being used on terrorism suspects. The CIA responded that Pelosi was told about the harsh techniques, including waterboarding, at the briefing.

However, the June 26 letter from the seven House Democrats noted that Panetta told CIA employees in a May 15 letter -- a response to the Pelosi allegation -- that it was not CIA policy to mislead Congress. The letter from the House Democrats asked Panetta to correct his May 15 statement "in light of your testimony."

Asked about the Democrats' letter, CIA spokesman George Little said Panetta "stands by his May 15 statement."

"This agency and this director believe it is vital to keep the Congress fully and currently informed. Director Panetta's actions back that up," Little said in a statement. "As the letter from these ... representatives notes, it was the CIA itself that took the initiative to notify the oversight committees."

The latest revelations come as lawmakers consider expanding the number of House and Senate members privy to the kind of secret briefing that Pelosi received.

The White House opposes a measure that would increase the number of briefing participants from the current eight to 40 members of Congress. A White House memo warned President Obama's senior advisers would recommend a veto of the bill if it contained the expanded briefing provision.



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Seems like the CIA should be replaced.  Pretty much any congressmen should be able to know everything the CIA is doing.

Obama would veto a bill that makes breifings bigger... why?



I haven't looked into all the details, but the executive branch tends to fight with the legislative branch on issues like this just about always.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

While I agree with Kaz, that all members of congress should know about this, I am not sure how accurate the title is. The VP is the president of the Congress, so him knowing this information means by default congress knew about it.

The real question, is it legal for some members of congress to be privy to information that others are not? If the answer is yes (and I think it is), then that law needs to be changed. If not, Cheney should get in trouble for this.



TheRealMafoo said:
While I agree with Kaz, that all members of congress should know about this, I am not sure how accurate the title is. The VP is the president of the Congress, so him knowing this information means by default congress knew about it.

The real question, is it legal for some members of congress to be privy to information that others are not? If the answer is yes (and I think it is), then that law needs to be changed. If not, Cheney should get in trouble for this.

The Vice President is the president of Congress in name only.  Its an honorary title that very few times in this history of country has meant anything.  The Vice President rarely even visits Congress.

Whether or not something is legal for Congress to do is...pretty much up to Congress.  They are the LEGISLATIVE branch who passes the laws that determine what agencies have to do.  Congress CREATED the CIA and can modify its powers, can increase oversight of the CIA, etc.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
While I agree with Kaz, that all members of congress should know about this, I am not sure how accurate the title is. The VP is the president of the Congress, so him knowing this information means by default congress knew about it.

The real question, is it legal for some members of congress to be privy to information that others are not? If the answer is yes (and I think it is), then that law needs to be changed. If not, Cheney should get in trouble for this.

The Vice President is the president of Congress in name only.  Its an honorary title that very few times in this history of country has meant anything.  The Vice President rarely even visits Congress.

Whether or not something is legal for Congress to do is...pretty much up to Congress.  They are the LEGISLATIVE branch who passes the laws that determine what agencies have to do.  Congress CREATED the CIA and can modify its powers, can increase oversight of the CIA, etc.

Only if the Prez lets them... as has been noted.  There should be a law... hell a consitutional ammendment that says that all congressmen should have equal access the workings of the government.

 



I would oppose letting all Congressmen know everything about intelligence activities. The whole point of secret services is to be, well, secret. 535 Congressmen knowing your shit makes for a leaky boat.

Under existing law, the members of the intelligence committees (or alternatively, the Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority and Minority Leaders, and the Chairman and ranking members of each intelligence committee) have a right to briefed on all CIA activities. The President, under the law, must "ensure" that they are briefed.  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/413.html#a_1 The VP is in no way involved in this process, and his orders have no legal bearing on it. Why the CIA listened to him is beyond understanding.




I vehemently disagree with allowing all of congress to be briefed on every aspect of TS/S affairs. There is certainly an oversight and policy requirement but this is balanced against national security issues. And as much as people like to roll there eyes at the scare phrase "National Security" it is naive to think it is always illegitimately used (thus the need for oversight).

As for the article from what I can tell congress was simply not briefed on the program in question right? So why are they claiming they were misled (other than their penchant for dramatics)? Not being privy to information is not that same as being given misinformation.




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Sqrl said:
I vehemently disagree with allowing all of congress to be briefed on every aspect of TS/S affairs. There is certainly an oversight and policy requirement but this is balanced against national security issues. And as much as people like to roll there eyes at the scare phrase "National Security" it is naive to think it is always illegitimately used (thus the need for oversight).

As for the article from what I can tell congress was simply not briefed on the program in question right? So why are they claiming th ey were misled (other than their penchant for dramatics)? Not being privy to information is not that same as being given misinformation.


We have thousands of people with very high level clearances. 535 more would not be that much. Plus, these should be the people you trust the most. If not, why the hell did you elect them?

I do think we, as a nation, should do a lot better job electing people with character, but I also think once we do, they should know all the information needed to do there jobs.

I personal think everyone in Washington cares deeply for the US, and would go out of there way to keep us safe. I just argue about there methods and what they think America stands for, but never there dedication to the country.