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canch on 12 July 2009

I have been keeping track of the troubles in mexico for quite some time now and it seems to be getting worst by the day.  Some towns are control by the drug gangs, lots of politicians, judges and police officers are corrupt and on the pay roll of the cartels.  There now have soldiers on the street.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/07/11/mexico.attack/index.html

Just yesterday the police arrested 'Arnoldo Rueda Medina, a high-ranking member of the drug cartel known as La Familia Michoacana (The Michoacan Family)' and then all hell broke lose.

'Coordinated attacks in at least eight Mexican cities killed three federal police officers and two soldiers Saturday in what officials are calling an unprecedented onslaught by drug gangs, Another 18 federal officers were wounded'

'group launched attacks in the cities of Morelia, Zitacuaro, Zamora, Lazaro Cardenas, Apatzingan, La Piedad and Huetamo in Michoacan state'

Just seems to me that the mexican goverment is losing control of vast parts of the country to these so called drugs gangs.



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Aion on 12 July 2009

Well you can think that, this might offend certain people.



 

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MANUELF on 12 July 2009

Of course not.



MontanaHatchet on 12 July 2009

Far from it. Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and if they really need someone to stop the corruption, they can get a guy like Batman.



 

 

akuma587 on 12 July 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
Far from it. Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and if they really need someone to stop the corruption, they can get a guy like Batman.

Its pretty hard to stop corruption when being "not corrupt" generally involves being brutally murdered in your own home.

You want to pull the rug completely out from underneath terrorists and mexican drug cartels?  Legalize drugs, reduce our reliance on foreign oil.  Supply-side militarism I call it.



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canch on 12 July 2009

How does one stop people from taking drugs in the first place, thats the answer.  Lets say if everyone stopped using drugs over night the problem would go away, but it wouldn't happen.  The american answer is to have a 'War on drugs' and send people who use, supply and deal drugs to prison for a very long time.

But sending users to jail isn't the answer, by sending users to prison you are breaking up a family and in turn that has a affect on that family from loss of money to losing their homes and jobs.  But if your robbing from people then you need to go to jail.  As long as thier is big money to be made, cartel, dealers, supplyers will sell drugs.

And what is happening in mexico is getting out of hand, if gangs can walk up to a police station and open fire on it and its happening every week then the goverment has lost control.



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MontanaHatchet on 12 July 2009
akuma587 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Far from it. Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and if they really need someone to stop the corruption, they can get a guy like Batman.

Its pretty hard to stop corruption when being "not corrupt" generally involves being brutally murdered in your own home.

You want to pull the rug completely out from underneath terrorists and mexican drug cartels?  Legalize drugs, reduce our reliance on foreign oil.  Supply-side militarism I call it.

Hence my call for a hero like Batman.

The problem with legalizing drugs is that we can't legalize drugs. There are dangerous drug cartels all over the world, for drugs like Marijuana, Cocaine, Opium, etc. What are you going to do, legalize them all? And if we do legalize drugs, these industries will become even bigger, and there's no indiciation that the gangs and crime lords will relinquish their control. Besides, reducing our reliance on foreign oil? Is that supposed to be a joke or something? You and I both know that's not going to happen any time soon.

If you want to pull the rug from underneath terrorists and cartels, shove them off.



 

 

akuma587 on 12 July 2009

What is going to keep the drug cartels in business when people can buy stuff like marijuana at the grocery store? The drug cartels will be ground to a halt without the steady source of revenue that these drugs provide.

If something is legal you don't need crime lords. I mean you don't see bootleggers still running around now that Prohibition was lifted do you? They aren't crime lords if its legal. The difference between crime lords and businessman is simply how they resolve their disputes. Businessman do it in the courtroom and with contracts, and crime lords do it in the streets with guns.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Moonhero on 12 July 2009

Batmanuel is on his way.



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TheRealMafoo on 12 July 2009

This biggest problem with Afghanistan, is no matter how much money, time, people, effort you throw at the problem, you can't fix it. And it's all due to the geography. There is no good way to occupy that country. People have been trying for hundreds of years.

Mexico is a different story. If some country needed to go in and change it, it would happen. If Afghanistan had the geography of Mexico, Russia would have controlled the people 30 years ago, and we would not even know about the country.