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^ so it's gone down to 2 million now.
It looks like very soon aligning launches will be in the 360 favour.

"Ps3 has more value but the casual consumer doesnt take time to look into that. When a parent buys their kid a console for xmas, they have no idea what value there is. They just see the base price and that's it."

But that's working off the assumption that for their needs the PS3 has the best value. Value is subjective



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Yes, this from a marathon perspective. I think the PS3 will surely beat the XBox 360 for the long run. The PS3 already outperformed the XBox 360 taking equal time frames despite additional headstarts for the 360 taking equal timeframes ranging from a couple extra months for PAL regions (two holiday seasons vs four for the 360) up to even years for some regions and at a much higher entry pricing throughout this period.

22.73 million PS3s vs 19 million XBox 360s. Not bad considering the PS3 did not receive any official price cuts in 2008 and 2009 so far, despite never ending rumours (bad for sales). Sadly a strong yen and weak global economy prevented this.

People here called me crazy to think we will see a slimline PS3 by 2009 a year or so ago, I still think that's the case and this will come with an overdue cut on entry pricing (being able to attract more teen and pre-teen gamers).



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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Thechalkblock said:
The seventh generation is almost over, there isn't any time for a major turnaround.

I don't think so (not for the PS3 at least). Creating optimised software for radically new technology and top notch amazing games take time (for example the Amiga OCS chipset from 1985 saw its best utilization during the early 90s, the original pre-emptive multi-tasking, 4096 color, stereo audio Amiga was released in a world of beeping PCs and monchrome soundless singletasking Macs), IMO we are still in the early years with companies still adjusting towards new technology (the Cell and Blu-Ray) and having only revealed their first efforts regarding big projects.

I think games like Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, etc will shift this generation into higher gears. Technical highst will probably be delivered through games like Killzone 3 in the future, taking really full advantage of the provided by then cheaply priced technology a few years from now.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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hellonearth said:

@ben...since when do you make the rules?

I compared them from launch up until 2.5 years of their lifecycle...Ps3 is outselling 360 by over 2 million.

I didnt spin anything or make up any numbers. That is FACT.

Anyways, I'm not going to continue. Judging from the comment above by "chalkblock" this forum is full of trolls. I will favorite this thread and bump it at the end of this generation. That's the only time we can truly say who won and lost. But yeah, I DO believe there can be a major turnaround this gen.


And the 360 is outselling the PS3 week after week since September 2008. That is a FACT.



MikeB said:

Yes, this from a marathon perspective. I think the PS3 will surely beat the XBox 360 for the long run. The PS3 already outperformed the XBox 360 taking equal time frames despite additional headstarts for the 360 taking equal timeframes ranging from a couple extra months for PAL regions (two holiday seasons vs four for the 360) up to even years for some regions and at a much higher entry pricing throughout this period.

22.73 million PS3s vs 19 million XBox 360s. Not bad considering the PS3 did not receive any official price cuts in 2008 and 2009 so far, despite never ending rumours (bad for sales). Sadly a strong yen and weak global economy prevented this.

People here called me crazy to think we will see a slimline PS3 by 2009 a year or so ago, I still think that's the case and this will come with an overdue cut on entry pricing (being able to attract more teen and pre-teen gamers).

But the issue with this thinking is it assumes the PS3 sales will follow the same slope as the 360 sales and continue to widden the gap with aligned launches, but if we look at the graph with weekly sales we see this is not the case:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=156&weekly=1

We have already seen that though it may have out performed 360's first 2.5 years in total it did not do it by consistently selling better then the 360 did over that aligned time period. If you look PS3 outsold 360 the first 20 months then began lagging behind consistently and the gap began to shrink. A particularly telling statistic is the PS3s third Christmas failed to outsell the 360's and was lower then it's own second. So what we actually see from the aligned launches graph with weekly sales is an early peak for the PS3 followed by a gradual decline. Compare that to a 360 that has shown consistent, if unremarkable, growth YoY in the face of increased competition and the aligned launches with weekly sales seems to paint a poorer picture of the PS3 future then the simple total sales implies.

Now you can claim that the 360's success the 3rd holiday is simply a spike due to the price cut and Halo and I can say that the first years success for the PS3 was purely on brand and pent up demand, but we will not know until we get more data. But I think it is fair to say it is not a clear conclusion from the graph the the PS3 is on a winning path even for the long term, in fact taking the graph on it's own it would seem to say the opposite.

I would also like to reiterate what several people have said, using aligned launches needs to be done with care. Though all consoles go through similar stages from launch as they mature you cannot look at them in a void. For example 360 was competing with a still very strong PS2 when it launched while the PS3 is going to be hit harder earlier in it's life cycle by the bad economy, these two factors alone make it very difficult to make definitive conclusions in either direction from the aligned launches, and there are many more factors at play.



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By looking at the sales data since the release of PS3 and X360, I don't believe turnaround is possible. Everyone is talking about the price cut, but as analytics and others have said Sony can't do it, or can but it would cost them even more money than currently per console.

As CGI-Quality said price cut (highly doubt that) and big selling games will cause spikes on sales but it won't be enough. Many said that Killzone 2 release would boost sales alot but it didn't have that big of a impact.



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CGI-Quality said:
@ hellonearth

I understand that you're a deep Sony supporter, but the fact of the matter is no matter how much more the PS3 may have sold in the same time frame as the 360, it's still currently behind. No matter how you slice it, for the PS3 to overtake the 360, it needs to start outselling it by LARGE amounts, and I do mean large.

Why do you assume that the Ps3 will die as soon as MS launches a new console? That is the dumbest thinking in this thread and the reason so many of you are wrong.

 

All Ps3 needs to do to outsell the 360 is last the same amount of years on the market.



Thretau said:

By looking at the sales data since the release of PS3 and X360, I don't believe turnaround is possible. Everyone is talking about the price cut, but as analytics and others have said Sony can't do it, or can but it would cost them even more money than currently per console.

As CGI-Quality said price cut (highly doubt that) and big selling games will cause spikes on sales but it won't be enough. Many said that Killzone 2 release would boost sales alot but it didn't have that big of a impact.

KZ2 was a sequel to a game that didnt even sell 1 million copies. GOW,FF,GT are wayyyy bigger titles.



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Sony will win this generation, because it's Sony.