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Lord Flashheart on 13 July 2009
thismeintiel said:
Lord Flashheart said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, considering Sony voluntarily recalled their batteries on both occasions, yes I would say Sony remains respectable.  Concerning the second incident, there were 40 reports worldwide of overheating, which could have been attributed to changes in the laptop after the battery was created or defects in raw materials, out of 100,000.  That's a .04% failure rate.  And Sony did a VOLUNTARY recall.  Now compare that to MS that had a 33% failure rate and decided to stay silent about it.  Only till after lawsuits did they set up their billion dollar repair program.  Not a recall like what should have happened.  Just so they could keep their lead.

But what's truly sad are the individuals who this happened to, but instead of being angered like they would have been for any other piece of electronic equipment, they will defend MS till their deaths.  Or even more sad is how people always want to point out Sony's mistakes, but give passes to huge mistakes by everyone else.  Just reading comments on posts are sickening.  Complaining about charging what they feel to be way more for the battery then it costs to make.  Well yeah, it's called profit, eveyone does it, or they go bankrupt.  But Sony is the only "ripping" us off, no one else.  Ah, I wonder what it is like to be so blind.

Aren't you reading that the wrong way round?

0.4% failure rate does not mean a recall of 10 million battery's. Maybe you're reffering to the second recall of batteries?
What about the 440,000 laptops due to wiring faults? and then the PS2's problems that Sony still refuse to acknowledge even with lawsuits.

So a similar issue of overheating happens to Sony products not once but twice yet you try to act like it was a minor issue and Sony acted like they was quick to respond (after 2 years) and purely in the interest of the consumers with an overblown guesture not needed as the fault was minor?
People go on about MS failure rates and act like Sony are faultless. If they do acknowledge Sony has had problems then it's marginalised like you have then attack on MS again.

What I'm saying is it happens to every company (apart from nintendo though it seems) but to act like it doesn't is blind fanboyism.

Just for the record Sonys overheating batteries was around the time of the 360 problems.


Yes, I was refering to the second recall, that's why I said I was.  Of course, every company has these problems, even Nintendo.  The shitty NES push down design comes to mind.  I'm sure they have experienced other issues, but probably only minor.  The point, though, is normally these companies' failure rates fall in the standard 2-3%, or they'd be rediculed into non-existence.  But not MS.

And yes, a failure rate well below 1% after 2 years is minor.  And Sony still saw it was faulty and recalled it on their own will.  Now, one of 33% after just a year without a recall is not.  My point being, you can say all you want about why you hate a company or system, no matter how petty they are.  But only a fool will sit there and tell  you how going through 2 or 3 systems and a 33& is fine and normal, just as long as you can get it replaced for free, which of course adds to sales so MS probably doesn't mind too much.  Still, no one should have to put up with that.

If only it was Sony that 'voluntarily' recalled the baterries but it was Dell that started the recall while Sony remained silent.

Like I said Sony have remained quiet on the PS2 failure rate which is above 3% and many people did have to buy another machine like die-hard Sony fans claim every single 360 owner has too because they wouldn't repair them or extend their warranty.

Mine is still broke as when mine broke I went onto the Cube and Xbox (never stopped playing the Dreamcast) due to the fact Sony refused to repair it for free. With such a high failure rate you think they would do something about it. I believe many 360 owners unlike Sony fans remember this and are pleased with actually getting help this time around though not with the high failure rates.

So keep going on about how bad MS are and how much you hate them (I've never said I hate Sony or the PS3) but don't forget Sony did it first without offering a resolution.

Also forgot about the problems with the NES. Having to blow into the cartridges to get them to work but after 20 years most machines still work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and keep bringing it up and acting like every single MS product overheats and every single 360 from the first til last will have the problem.
Ignore how they've eliminated it now in production models but like I've been asking apart from the early 360 what other products have been overheating like RRoD? It's nothing more than rabid fanboyism making those ridiculous claims.
Still haven't had an answer Jede3?



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Lord Flashheart on 13 July 2009
thismeintiel said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
thismeintiel said:
 


How does a new format screw the customer?

Because it drove the price up on the console, despite being totally unnecessary for gaming.

How is this news? How am I having to defend myself? How do you not know this.

Look bro, I know you want to defend the PS3 and all, but go choose another post. Mine is not only valid, but perfectly astute.

Sony doesn't use BR for most large games, like MGS4. They use your Hard-Drive, via mandatory installs.


Ok, first, I'm not your bro.  Second, so what if it drove up the price?  Should we all still be using NES cartridges because cd and dvd drives increased the price of all systems that used them to begin with, including computers.  I've never seen someone so afraid of technology as you.  Third, who died and made you moderator?  Are you saying because I disagree with your opinion I can't post on this board or any other?  As a citizen of the good ole US of A, I believe I have the right to free speech (type).  So get over it, or move to a communist country where the gov controls the web.  Finally,  MGS4 uses most, if not all of the disc.  Yes, you have to install some of that before the game, bu , uh, where do you think that info is coming from.  THE DISC!!  Same for all games that have over 9 GB of info on the disc, and even those that don't but have an install.

And no, I'm not 64.  New here, actually.  Though I do have a question.  Why do you think 64 has multiple accounts?  Is it because he has a differing opinion from you, one that you can't find any reason for anyone else to have?  Or do you actually have proof?  If you have proof then cool, I'll agree with you he's a troll.  If not, you know there are about 24 million happy PS3 owners out there.

Well ok, I can't prove they're all happy.  But I'd bet the vast majority are.

Ah good ole American propagan... free speech.



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Bitmap Frogs on 13 July 2009

Honestly, the way the price for solid state memory is going I wouldn't mind - rather I'd love for next-gen to go with cartridges.

No loading, no disc scratching? Heaven I tell ya.





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atma998 on 13 July 2009
kowenicki said:
very selective stat you chose there....

YOY YTD 2009 v 2008

market share

Wii down 5.62%
PS3 down 2.5%
360 up 8.12%

but no... I dont see any major turnarounds as it happens.


What's wrong with you? Those numbers are anything but real. Wii never had 54,3% (48,7%+5,62%) of markest share... Please don't post BS.



Kynes on 13 July 2009

Wii in 2008, from January to June, had that market share. It's not BS, you can get the numbers comparing the sales of the three consoles.



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gergroy on 13 July 2009
atma998 said:
kowenicki said:
very selective stat you chose there....

YOY YTD 2009 v 2008

market share

Wii down 5.62%
PS3 down 2.5%
360 up 8.12%

but no... I dont see any major turnarounds as it happens.


What's wrong with you? Those numbers are anything but real. Wii never had 54,3% (48,7%+5,62%) of markest share... Please don't post BS.


lol, those are year on year numbers not lifetime numbers.  haha, they are perfectly legit.



atma998 on 13 July 2009
RageBot said:
RageBot said:

After seeing the responses to my post from earlier, let me rephrase myself:

 

I believe a turnaround between the PS3 and the 360 can happen this gen (I don't say that it WILL happen, I say it is possible), because I think that there are a lot of pepole who wait specifically for a PS3 price drop, and are uninterested in the 360, so when the PS3 will drop the price, there will be a big, temporary, rise in sells, in which the PS3 will sell around 6 mil units in two months, and no, I don't say it WILL happen, I think that it is highly likely.

Also, when looking at the period that the PS3 was the same price as the 360, you can see that the PS3 outsold the 360, so I think it will happen again when they are both the same price.

I understand pepole who think that a turnaround is unlikely, I can't understand pepole who think a turnaround is impossible.


Okay, let's first assume that a PS3 price cut and slim will change the sells around (a lot) in Sony's favor, how can Microsoft counter it?

Well, you can say that a price cut will allow them to counter it, and you know, it's a good possibility.

But I feel like a lot of pepole are anticipating a PS3 price drop, not a "next-gen console prrice drop", a lot of Sony's fans are still waiting for them to lower the price of their console, a lot more pepole than the ones who wait for Microsoft to lower the 360's price (I base my assumption on the fact that PS2 sold a lot of consoles, thus getting a lot of fans, a lot more than what the original XB had).

So basically, I think that the difference between us is that you think that it is merely a matter of price difference between the consoles, so if 360's cheaper = it sells more, while I think that Sony still have a lot of fans, fans who just don't have the money for a PS3, and will buy it, and only it, just because it is Sony's console.

I'll actually take a fact to show my point.
How come that the PS3 sold more than the 360 in it's first year, while having competition, an overwhelming price tag and "NO GAMEZ"? the answer is simple and illogical - because it's Sony.
I don't see why the "poor" fans don't exist anymore while the "rich" fans who bought the console at lunch still are.

Majority of those PS2 owners already bought a Wii.



atma998 on 13 July 2009
gergroy said:
atma998 said:
kowenicki said:
very selective stat you chose there....

YOY YTD 2009 v 2008

market share

Wii down 5.62%
PS3 down 2.5%
360 up 8.12%

but no... I dont see any major turnarounds as it happens.


What's wrong with you? Those numbers are anything but real. Wii never had 54,3% (48,7%+5,62%) of markest share... Please don't post BS.


lol, those are year on year numbers not lifetime numbers.  haha, they are perfectly legit.


Helllooooo? We are talking about market share here.



gergroy on 13 July 2009
atma998 said:
gergroy said:
atma998 said:
kowenicki said:
very selective stat you chose there....

YOY YTD 2009 v 2008

market share

Wii down 5.62%
PS3 down 2.5%
360 up 8.12%

but no... I dont see any major turnarounds as it happens.


What's wrong with you? Those numbers are anything but real. Wii never had 54,3% (48,7%+5,62%) of markest share... Please don't post BS.


lol, those are year on year numbers not lifetime numbers.  haha, they are perfectly legit.


Helllooooo? We are talking about market share here.


hmmm, so you can't gauge marketshare on a yearly basis?  thats odd.... could of sworn that was possible...

basically, wii sold X amount last year (X being the total number sold or marketshare for that year), but when you compare X to this years totals it is down 5.62%.  This means that there is a decline in the marketshare the wii enjoyed in last years sales by 5.62%.  Make sense?



atma998 on 13 July 2009
gergroy said:
atma998 said:
gergroy said:
atma998 said:
kowenicki said:
very selective stat you chose there....

YOY YTD 2009 v 2008

market share

Wii down 5.62%
PS3 down 2.5%
360 up 8.12%

but no... I dont see any major turnarounds as it happens.


What's wrong with you? Those numbers are anything but real. Wii never had 54,3% (48,7%+5,62%) of markest share... Please don't post BS.


lol, those are year on year numbers not lifetime numbers.  haha, they are perfectly legit.


Helllooooo? We are talking about market share here.


hmmm, so you can't gauge marketshare on a yearly basis?  thats odd.... could of sworn that was possible...

basically, wii sold X amount last year (X being the total number sold or marketshare for that year), but when you compare X to this years totals it is down 5.62%.  This means that there is a decline in the marketshare the wii enjoyed in last years sales by 5.62%.  Make sense?

A - Then why don't you replace you ''X amount'' by real numbers then?

B - This doesnt change the fact that Wii is gaining market share while X360 is losing market share (except for the big adjustment of last week)since the begining of the gen.