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CatFangs806 on 10 July 2009

I sure hope it is the year of the 360. I even hope it outsells it's multiplatform foes by double (Modern Warfare 2, Bioshock 2, Assassion's Creed 2). That would make me even happier.



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DirtyP2002 on 10 July 2009

Yeah... every PS3-Fans has a high end PC... we know this!

But why are PS3-Fans always crying about Mass Effect (2) hitting the PS3 some day? Or Left 4 Dead? When L4D was announced as a Xbox360 exclusive (it IS exclusive. You can't play it on any other console! The whole MS E3 Media Briefing was build on that) people said constantly that this is coming to PS3 as well.

Why are you crying? You can play this on your PC anyway, but still you want those games on your PS3? That is the best evidence that this kind of exclusive-deals are working well.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

LordMatrix on 10 July 2009
shio said:
dcIKeeL said:
MAFKKA said:

Most of what he said. Though i still strongly feel that any game that is also on PC is not an exclusive. And this new "console exclusive" is just a way to spin things so they sound better.

The same can be said about stating that certain games aren't exclusive because they are on the pc. The fact of the matter is that the PC is not a console and does not compete with consoles. So a game being console exclusive is much more relevant than a game which isnt exclusive simply because it's on the PC. The pc also does not affect sales of 360 games or deter from the advantage 360 attains from having good IPs that the other two consoles don't.

Afterall, 360 exclusives (or 'microsoft exclusives') sell extremely well on the 360. Therefore, why make such a fuss about a game being being on the pc? Honestly, a game being exclusive to 1 console and a handheld is more important than a console exclusive being on pc, and even then a handheld/1 console exclusive is still irrelevant.

The stupid "it's not exclusive to 360" statement is a misunderstanding of how gaming universe function at best and trolling at worst.

The only real difference between PC and Consoles are that a PC is an open-platform, while a console is closed. And PC games DO affect other platforms sales, hell even a Microsoft boss admitted that by saying that if they had released Halo on Xbox and PC at the same time, it would take sales from the Xbox and "in Germany 80% of sales would be on PC, and only 20% on Xbox".

If PC really did affect console sales you wouldn't see some companies only release the PC version of some games after the Console versions, because they believe the PC version would a affect the console versions sales.

dcIKeeL said:

The only reason alot of 360 exclusives are on the PC is because MS allows it. They allow it because they make even more money and are even planning deeper intergration with PC. Some of things on 360 now or that will be will on the 360 will also be on the PC not as standalone but as an extension of the 360 and alot more games being cross platform. The strategy with the timed exclusives is blunting the effect of these great IPs. Take Bioschock for instance. This game sold about 2 million+ on the 360 but on the PS3 I don't think it ever got past 500k.

What the hell are you talking about? Microsoft has only ported 2 X360 games to PC this gen, and those came on PC many months after the X360 versions as to not affect the console sales.

Other than Viva Pinata and Gears of War, Microsoft has not gotten a single dollar from any other PC game. Microsoft does not get money from PC games unless it's their own games.

dcIKeeL said:

I can't believe someone will make themselves sound so foolish to make their favorite company look good. Yes! There about 20x more PC owners than console owners period. However, there are much fewer who own a PC that is a suitable gaming machine. Most people don't have the knowledge to upgrade their pc to make it a gaming pc and/or don't want to bother constantly throwing money at it to play the latest games. You'd have to be a pretty hardcore gamer to prefer to upgrade your pc over buying a console. The fact is most gamers are mainstream and even more so, casual gamers and these people don't care enough about games to see the PC as an option.

I don't know the exact statistic but probably about 99% of PC owners do not own their pc to use it as a gaming machine. Remember the PC is not primarily a gaming machine, gaming is just one of the many things it can do. The PC does not compete with consoles.

Of course you know this but act ignorant to make an invalid point. 

Dude, PC has over 300 millions gamers, more than the entire console gamers.

Nowadays upgrades aren't even necessary anymore. You can buy a good gaming PC and it will last you more than an entire console generation. The rise of indie gaming, more focus on lower budget PCs and cheaper tech are driving PC into everyone's minds.

dcIKeeL said:

God you dissappoint. There are too many of you unreasonable fanboys on this thread. See how you spew your sarcasm and even condescending tone.

No, you aren't from another planet you are just the minority. What is wrong with you. All PC gamers are very hardcore gamers and alot of them are also very niche gamers. Those 13 million WoW players are over time not all at once, not everyone constantly keeps renewing accounts. These gamers are also a group set apart from the console users. I mean most console users take into account things like subscription fees. Take the Live and PSN issue for instance. Constantly used on here as an argument and considered by all console gamers when making decisions. Alot of them have a problem with it some don't. However, those PC gamers not only waste money upgrading but they also waste money on subscription fees for their MMOs that are usually more than twice that of the Live subscription fee.

Do you see how PC gamers are a different animal than console gamers. Most people don't hold gaming in high enough regard to pay and devote so much time on their games and the machines they play them on. Consoles don't compete with the PC.  

PC is NOT the minority, Consoles are.

And stop lieing, there are currently 12 millions WoW players today! That's 12 millions people that pay every month. Yes, many people have quit WoW, but for 1 that leaves, 2 others join WoW (not literally, but you get my point).

And WoW is probably like, only half the population of MMO subscribers. Hell, and we're not even counting the F2P MMO players.

Anyone that thinks subscriptions are a waste clearly doesn't see the advantage of it. MMOs usually have an infinitely higher amount of content than the average game, and are also much more polished since they are often updated. The best part is the social part of MMOs, which is far bigger than just shouting insults at another shooter gamer.

dcIKeeL said:

If games that are also on the pc were truly that important why do 360 'exclusives' sell so well in spite of the fact? Why would MS allow for this if it hurt their other product? Why do you bring that silly kool aid in here about everybody owning a pc? AND? 9 out of 10 of those PCs cannot adequately game.

Also how is gaming on a pc cheaper and more convinient than gaming on a console? Please don't say the games are cheaper because when on the pc that's the least of your worries. Most people don't have the knowledge to upgrade their PC adequately to make it a gaming pc neither are they hardcore enough to want to do it. You have to throw some money to upgrade it and then do it again at least 1.5x a year. Most people don't know how to do this.  Also even the cheapest DIY gaming PCs cutting 1000 corners aren't cheaper than a console and specifically a 360.

To game a consoles you don't have to know squat about computers, all you have to know is how to plug in cables. How PC gaming is more convinient escapes me...

ps. PCs are machines that CAN play games. It doesn't mean that they neccesarily do. The fact of the matter is that PC's primary function is not gaming. Hence, they don't compete with consoles.

PC gaming is cheaper because PC games are far cheaper than console games. In my country Xbox360/PS3 games are 70 euros, while PC games are 50 or even 40. Hell, the average PC game sold in US retail in only $25 (and that's counting game bundles as only 1 game), less than half of a full-priced console game.

PC gaming is more convenient than ever. And PCs do compete with consoles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dude just give up the charade already! You won't win the fight and you know it! Stick to your PC forums please your trolling really is annoying and frankly everyone is tired of you beating a dead horse. (This next part is in reply to your sig) BTW our Superior Console Gamer race says hi and good riddance to you.



 How our favorite systems are just like humans and sometimes have issues finding their special someone...

Xbox 360 wants to Kinect &  PS3 wants to Move!  Why are both systems having such relationship problems?  The reason is they both become so infactuated with desire while watching the Wii as it waggles on by. They simply want what they can't have.

 Official member of the Xbox 360 Squad

Seraphic_Sixaxis on 10 July 2009
Slimebeast said:

^ Like Divine Divinity 2, Dead Island, Risen, Venetica?

I agree, the remaining X360 linup for 2009 will crush any other lineup.

Your joking right?

PSP line-up mops the floor with 360s line-up.

Regardless if i dont like half that list, have you ever heard of a handheld gaming SYSTEM getting a MAIN tekken or SC game? i sure havent.

Only on PSP.



Aldro on 10 July 2009
Garnett said:

@Aldro  L4D is a new franchise regardless when you gotten your Xbox 360,So is Uncharted.

Yeah but lets say I have L4D on my PC.

I get the X360 months later, and L4D 2 is announced.

OH Sorry I mean a new IP not a new franchise XD.(Thats a diffrence right?).

 

Like Infamous, LBP, L4D (When first released), Uncharted(When first released and not Uncharted 2).

I want a game that is like completely new you know? Something that I can jump into without it beeing any previous games. It can have a sequel/prequel in the future atleast ive played the first game when it just came out. And since I do have L4D on PC it would only make sence for me to get L4D 2 on PC aswell as I tried the demo on the X360 and I sucked on aiming XD.



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LordMatrix on 10 July 2009
Aldro said:
Garnett said:

@Aldro  L4D is a new franchise regardless when you gotten your Xbox 360,So is Uncharted.

Yeah but lets say I have L4D on my PC.

I get the X360 months later, and L4D 2 is announced.

OH Sorry I mean a new IP not a new franchise XD.(Thats a diffrence right?).

 

Like Infamous, LBP, L4D (When first released), Uncharted(When first released and not Uncharted 2).

I want a game that is like completely new you know? Something that I can jump into without it beeing any previous games. It can have a sequel/prequel in the future atleast ive played the first game when it just came out. And since I do have L4D on PC it would only make sence for me to get L4D 2 on PC aswell as I tried the demo on the X360 and I sucked on aiming XD.

Looked at sig... ooook? Seriously man if you that ashamed to be an Xbox 360 owner give it to somebody who isn't a fanboy. A true gamer will not be ashamed of having a X360 even if it is not there preferred system just because it means simply more games they can play. You seem to frawn upon the idea of having one at all. As for brand new ip titles their will be plenty. This just isn't a big year for new ip titles on any system. Wait till next year for some big ones. Judging by your avatar you like shooters and there are plenty of them to choose from on X360 along with alot of nice action titles and so on. Sorry to see you UNFORTUNATELY do not enjoy a sytem with one of the best library of games in recent years.



 How our favorite systems are just like humans and sometimes have issues finding their special someone...

Xbox 360 wants to Kinect &  PS3 wants to Move!  Why are both systems having such relationship problems?  The reason is they both become so infactuated with desire while watching the Wii as it waggles on by. They simply want what they can't have.

 Official member of the Xbox 360 Squad

JaggedSac on 10 July 2009

LOL. This thread turned nasty with pc fanboys and ps3 fanboys.



Samus Aran on 10 July 2009

Pc gaming is a minority... Sure, lots of people play WoW, but you don't need a good pc for that and WoW is just ONE game... There are also 20 million people out there who buy a pokemon game every 2 years or something... Pokemon is far more profitable then WoW.



FKNetwork on 10 July 2009

Slimebeast said:



I agree, the remaining X360 linup for 2009 will crush any other lineup.

This^ 360 is on a huge roll this year, ps3 and wii aren't even in the same league.....



naznatips on 10 July 2009
Samus Aran said:
Pc gaming is a minority... Sure, lots of people play WoW, but you don't need a good pc for that and WoW is just ONE game... There are also 20 million people out there who buy a pokemon game every 2 years or something... Pokemon is far more profitable then WoW.

There is nothing in the world more profitable than WoW. Pokemon gamers don't pay $15 per month, whereas more than 11 million WoW gamers do (after already paying a minimum of $20 for the game, and if they got both expansions probably $60-$100 or more depending on the time of purchase).

And bullshit it's a minority. There are more than 20 million active accounts on Steam alone, exceding XBL Gold accounts, PSN acounts, and online Wii consoles combined. And that's just one service. There are Half a dozen other popular services on PC including X-Fire, Battlenet, and impulse. Adding to that 20 million MMO players and the console online gaming market is a joke in comparison. This is even more ridiculous since we are talking about a list advertising Left 4 Dead 2, which will be well over twice as successful on PC with Steam. 

And it really doesn't matter what market you are talking about, PC gaming is hugely important. Activision Blizzard makes more money on PC game sales than Xbox 360 or PS3, even taking away World of Warcraft (Which btw counted for some 42% of the profit for the entire company). PopCap games has sold more than 200 million games, with Bejeweled alone (the original bejeweled) selling 25 million units. Even Nintendo can't sell that many games in 6 years.

 

PS: I'm much happier with the 360's lineup this year than I was last year actually. I'll be buying from that list are ODST, Splinter Cell, and The Ballad of Gay Tony (L4D2 on PC, Forza 3 maybe when it's $20 or less). That said, I'm still buying more PS3 and Wii games, and a lot more PC games when the year is considered as a whole. For the 2nd half of this year (from now through December) it's much closer, but for the year as a whole it's the system I'm buying the least for by far. Not that that bugs me much since I still have a lot of backcatalog to play through.