While I agree it's very wrong of her... it's kinda like beating up a masochist: not much compassion for him, as he enjoyed it (but the attacker still needs to be thrown in jail).
Of course, I'm assuming that they weren't traumatized by it (at least 1 wasn't, of course).

MontanaHatchet said: Khuutra said: MontanaHatchet said: Khuutra said: Come off it, Montana. Are you going to argue that any kind of abuse against men - up to and including rape - is somehow to be treated more lightly than that against women? Or at against any person at all? And is saying this somehow standing on a pedestal? How do you figure? Is it simply the fact that people take a moral stance against the trivialization of sexual violence? Come off it. I don't really care one way or the other. But we have these giant arguments over morality, and entire thread is just walls of text. Can't we have even one thread in Off Topic that's casual for once? That's kind of why people come to this section of the forums. I'd rather have one liners or jokes in poor taste than a whole shitstorm of arguments by people preaching. I don't care about sexism here, nor what's right. Come off it. The Off Topic forum is for talking about anything that isn't video games or the sales of the aforementioned video games. That does not imply that this is a place to be abrasive or to trivialize something terrible. Nor does it imply that people cannot come in here and treat something seriously. Nor does it imply that getting up on a soapbox about people getting up on a soapbox is in any way less hypocritical. Coming in here and demanding that people do not talk seriously about rape is ridiculous. Welcome to one of the most serious topics in Western culture! If you're not prepared for serious conversation to pop up, you'd probably be better served not entering the topic at all. You don't have to care about sexism or what's right, but you're damn sure going to hear about it. Yes, that's the purpose of the Off Topic section. But it's not why most people come here. If I wanted long debates, I'd have them over sales numbers. Most people come to Off Topic because they want more casual discussion, and to avoid the constant bitter arguments and trolling and fighting that take place in the other parts of the forum. I wasn't getting on a pedestal to criticize them for the same thing (why you used the term soapbox is beyond me, just use the term I used). It's not hypocritical to be annoyed when people like Kasz call other people terrible liberals for joking about rape, as if the subject of rape showed variation among political affiliation. Nor is it hypocritical for me to be annoyed when he compares rape jokes to Holocaust jokes (which seems incredibly offensive) or having Dtewi going on a gigantic rant about humanity and morality (as if other species are incapable of rape). By the way, where did you see me demand anything of anyone? Did I go up to other people in this thread and tell them to joke about rape? No, but I did tell other people to stop sitting around, criticizing others and holding huge debates over god-knows-what (I read those debates, forgot what everyone said, and I'm not reading them again). I don't think the subject of rape, or its controversy, is limited to western culture. Talk as seriously as you want about it, but don't chastise others who want to be assholes (someone can ban them if they want, or other users can IGNORE them).

There actually is a bit of poltical difference when it comes to rape.

Rape is seen as a lot more acceptable then people realize... both to men and women.  In large part to people joking around about it when it's an extremely serious subject.  Some of the studies done on social attitudes are really chilling.  Liberals tending to concern themselves more with female rights are the type of people who are more likely to well take rape seriously since consertives socially sometimes don't even consier anything done between a man and his wipe rape etc.  So protecting another form of rape through lighthearted joking is really a serious offense for someone who is a liberal.

As per the Holocaust... I don't really think it is offensive.  Rape jokes and Holocost jokes are both aimed at the same thing.  Making the act seem less offensive... when both are EXTREMELY serious issues.

As a psychology graduate, former sociology student and friend to a lot of feminists I've actually read a lot of literature on rape.

Actually coincidentally, right behind me is a book called "Agaisnt Our Will, Men Women and Rape" by Susan Brown Miller.  Haven't read that one though.

The general use of the Off-Topic section has nothing to do with its purpose, which is being fulfilled in this case. You don't get to choose what discussions do or do not become debates. You want to have a light-hearted discussion? Do not come into a topic where people are talking about a female serial rapist. This has nothing to do with the system wars, which is primarily what the rest of the conflict of the site is about. I mean, how much Off-Topic do you actually read? This is why I don't participate in political discussions - I don't like political discussions! There are just some topics about which one can be guaranteed to be displeased. You have found another one of yours. I used "soapbox" specifically because it wasn't the term you used and it conveyed exactly what I wanted to convey. "Soapbox" is a very good word in this context. Kasz said he was surprised because highwaystar was a liberal, and would not assumedly be making those kind of jokes. No, it wasn't a good thing to say, but I make no apologies for him. This is all worded very confusingly. Now even I'm not sure I read Kasz's words correctly. Extreme, bordering on hyperbole, but comparing making light of one horror to making light of another isn't very out of line. No comment on that much, but I didn't address Dtewi's post specifically because I have no interest in arguing that point with someone who believes that. Well, right here: Now that we have that cleared up, I- You asked me if you had made any demands - and then you showed me where you made a demand! So you're saying that you don't really pay attention to what's written and then stop caring about what's said. I don't really get your point. It's not! But I can't speak as to Eastern culture and the place of rape in the controversy hierarchy, which is why I specifically mentioned Western culture. I don't speak as to cultures that I lack all perspective on. People are going to get offended about people taking rape lightly! I cannot imagine why that would surprise you.

1. We should make forum sections less enjoyable so long as it fits the qualifications of the forums? I'm not saying people can't use the Off Topic section for serious discussion, but it really ruins one of the last places on the site where people can have light-hearted discussion. During the election, half of the Off Topic section consisted of heated political threads. When it was over, the forum practically died since people didn't know what else to make threads about.

2. Did I ever say I'm choosing or deciding anything? All I did was tell people not to be so high and mighty and start massive debates because some people wanted to crack a few bad jokes. I'm taking the issue seriously too (honestly, the act is sickening and the men obviously took physical damage).

3. Bah, when did I say it had anything to do with the system wars? I'm not even sure where you got that from. I've read Off Topic plenty. Political discussions and debates are rampant, but they're often short lived. Off Topic has always been dominated by casual threads and discussion.

4. Well they mean practically the same thing, but I'm not going to debate about something as small as that.

5. Being liberal shouldn't have anything to do with it. You should be offended by the subject of rape no matter what political affiliation you are. If Kasz had said he was a terrible person, that would have been an entirely different statement (albeit a more offensive one).

6. Well he defended himself on the statement (I think).

7. What are you talking about? Kasz wasn't making fun of anything (if that's what you're implying). Rather, he made a pretty crude comparison and one that includes far too many variables to even considered. Millions of people died in the Holocaust, and millions are affected by rape. But the comparisons aren't much plentiful after that.

8. This was just a list of all the things that annoyed me in the thread. If you have no reason to argue with it, don't quote it specifically as if you were arguing my post point by point.

9-11. I tend to see demanding as something far more harsh and forceful than asking or telling. I suppose that's a difference in word and dialect usage between us. Rather, I wasn't forceful in asking for people to stop debating.

12. I did pay attention to what was written, but you can't expect me to remember the contents of several posts and paragraph many minutes after they were written. I would have re-read had I not been debating you. I'm not going to read several paragraphs and posts again, when the content wasn't even worth reading anyways.

13. I'm not all the knowledgeable about eastern culture either, but I'm sure they despise rape as much as people in the west too. I wouldn't worry too much about the statement.

14. Well people should shut up.

15. I wonder how long this post is by now.

Jeez, she could have at least slipped in some viagra with those drugs, then she wouldn't need to destroy their dicks with some rope.

I was thinking the same thing, AJ.

In soviet russia, woman rapes man :p
but honestly, if that happened in America- you wouldn't hear a word about it. That's what I would call random acts of kindness :p

Is it terrible that I think all of these jokes are pretty funny, especially this last one^^

Off topic....but the first time I read the title I thought it said Worm Rapes 10 men...I was like...what the hell?

Messed up, but the last guy cracked me up, I really wasn't expecting it!