Womn rapes 10 men

[Kasz216]

MontanaHatchet said:

Khuutra said:

MontanaHatchet said:

Khuutra said:

Come off it, Montana. Are you going to argue that any kind of abuse against men - up to and including rape - is somehow to be treated more lightly than that against women? Or at against any person at all?

And is saying this somehow standing on a pedestal? How do you figure? Is it simply the fact that people take a moral stance against the trivialization of sexual violence? Come off it.

I don't really care one way or the other. But we have these giant arguments over morality, and entire thread is just walls of text. Can't we have even one thread in Off Topic that's casual for once? That's kind of why people come to this section of the forums. I'd rather have one liners or jokes in poor taste than a whole shitstorm of arguments by people preaching. I don't care about sexism here, nor what's right.

Come off it.

The Off Topic forum is for talking about anything that isn't video games or the sales of the aforementioned video games. That does not imply that this is a place to be abrasive or to trivialize something terrible. Nor does it imply that people cannot come in here and treat something seriously. Nor does it imply that getting up on a soapbox about people getting up on a soapbox is in any way less hypocritical. Coming in here and demanding that people do not talk seriously about rape is ridiculous. Welcome to one of the most serious topics in Western culture! If you're not prepared for serious conversation to pop up, you'd probably be better served not entering the topic at all.

You don't have to care about sexism or what's right, but you're damn sure going to hear about it.

Yes, that's the purpose of the Off Topic section. But it's not why most people come here. If I wanted long debates, I'd have them over sales numbers. Most people come to Off Topic because they want more casual discussion, and to avoid the constant bitter arguments and trolling and fighting that take place in the other parts of the forum. I wasn't getting on a pedestal to criticize them for the same thing (why you used the term soapbox is beyond me, just use the term I used). It's not hypocritical to be annoyed when people like Kasz call other people terrible liberals for joking about rape, as if the subject of rape showed variation among political affiliation. Nor is it hypocritical for me to be annoyed when he compares rape jokes to Holocaust jokes (which seems incredibly offensive) or having Dtewi going on a gigantic rant about humanity and morality (as if other species are incapable of rape).

By the way, where did you see me demand anything of anyone? Did I go up to other people in this thread and tell them to joke about rape? No, but I did tell other people to stop sitting around, criticizing others and holding huge debates over god-knows-what (I read those debates, forgot what everyone said, and I'm not reading them again). I don't think the subject of rape, or its controversy, is limited to western culture. Talk as seriously as you want about it, but don't chastise others who want to be assholes (someone can ban them if they want, or other users can IGNORE them).

There actually is a bit of poltical difference when it comes to rape.

Rape is seen as a lot more acceptable then people realize... both to men and women.  In large part to people joking around about it when it's an extremely serious subject.  Some of the studies done on social attitudes are really chilling.  Liberals tending to concern themselves more with female rights are the type of people who are more likely to well take rape seriously since consertives socially sometimes don't even consier anything done between a man and his wipe rape etc.  So protecting another form of rape through lighthearted joking is really a serious offense for someone who is a liberal.

As per the Holocaust... I don't really think it is offensive.  Rape jokes and Holocost jokes are both aimed at the same thing.  Making the act seem less offensive... when both are EXTREMELY serious issues.

As a psychology graduate, former sociology student and friend to a lot of feminists I've actually read a lot of literature on rape.

Actually coincidentally, right behind me is a book called "Agaisnt Our Will, Men Women and Rape" by Susan Brown Miller.  Haven't read that one though.