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Wait a moment?

How many households are in the USA? 150 million?

And they reckon 22% (33 million) of those households will have PS3's by 2012?

Epic, wondrous fail.



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Two things need to happen before these can be realised:

* Price needs to be sub £99 mark because that is the price of a decent DVD player.
* Media needs the same as DVD new releases if it is to be choosen over DVD.

Reasons why this will not happen:
* People will be buying replacement DVD players so the price probably needs to be closer to £50 also they need to ensure that they know they are buying a DVD player that has this extra thing called Blu Ray. Can they get this message across and the price within 3 years?

* Digital content grows faster than is predicted above and that is more likely at least in the UK.

* Digital content equipment is more readily available than Blu Ray players



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Also you've got to realise that with Blu Ray you're stuck with 1080P 24 as your specification. True video buffs will be interested in being able to get say 1440P and or 30 -> 60->120 FPS movies when available and they can do that with a download to a HDD whether over the internet or via a kiosk.



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Rpruett said:
sega4life said:
Rpruett said:
sega4life said:


DVD down 13% in 2009

Blu-Ray Not selling as well as expected

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Digital Download / Streaming on the rise...  hmm...


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I've always said this, Blu-Ray will not beat DvD's because of In-vehicle DVD players, Portable DVD players, and Other small handheld devices.

DVD: you can play it in almost every single room in your home, take it in the car/truck for a family trip, or use a program to convert it to your iPod / Zune / Phone.

Blu-Ray: chances are you only have 1 blu-ray player so that's a room you can watch it in, there aren't any In-vehicle or Portable BR players that I know of, and BR PC drives aren't to wide spread, not to mention the programs to convert them to iPod / Zune / Phone aren't as easy as a DVD converter, or well known.

You do realize that when DVD was in it's infancy it didn't have portable devices everywhere right?   You also do realize that Blu-Ray players can play DVDs.  So once the physical Blu-Ray player price drops it's only natural that in order to keep the price relatively high on the portable players they will throw in a Blu-Ray drive.   

What you're saying is like DVD never had a chance to over take VHS because they made TVs that did both.   All that's really doing is delaying the inevitable.  

The time frame of the way things are coming out VHS - DvD what 25 years?  DvD - Blu-Ray 10 years.. by the time Blu-Ray portable is to come out, something better will be out.. and there is already new formats being made..

And it's not the point of what will be out, it's the point of whats out Now.. See I can go into a store like many parents, look at a movie selection and grab a DvD knowing I can play this almost everywhere, if I pick of the Blu-Ray I know I can watch it in A Room, and wait for the day I get more units to play it in...

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There is a huge difference between VHS to DvD and DvD to Blu-ay

See with DvD vs VHS you had allot of +'s to the average consumer: Smaller, last almost forever, skip scenes, no rewind, better picture, widescreen picture ( there was a huge difference in picture).

With DvD vs BluRay you have what the average consumer is not really looking for: Storage, Non compressed Sound, better picture (there is not the huge difference in picture from dvd to br with upscale dvd players)

Again you're looking at reasons why 'today' DVD still is a fine option for most people.  Two years from now things will be drastically different.  Blu-Ray in my opinion will be most likely the last physical format.  It may never see the absolute widespread success the DVD did but it almost certainly will gain over 50% of the market share especially as the price for Blu Ray movies lower and Blu Ray players continue to lower.

Digital Distribution is doing better but is still quite a ways off from mainstream popularity.  Internet speeds are still too slow to make it as viable and useful as it can be.

In 2 years other formats will be out, and will be better.. and BR will Not be 50% of DvD, think of how many people have a DvD player in EVERY Room of there home and how long it took them to get there..

It Will Not happen, it's not opinion, I mean think about it...

Right now, everyone that owns a PC has Digital On Demand, everyone that has Dircetv / Comcast (other country service here) has the option of Digital Service, and with the HIGH amounts of digital support wide spread phones and unites to the home whether it be apple / 360 / PS3 / ( that offer MDD) not to mention 108-p 36- service, and I'm SURE Sony will follow, I mean come on...

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Look at CD's, remember those, "MP3 what? please, I will never download an MP3 thingy, I need the CD in my hand, I need to know I bought something..."


See... see what I did there?.. please tell me the last time you bought that thing they sold in the stores that had music on it?

You can look two years ahead if you want, but by the time a portable device will be out for BR, something else will be out before hand,(yes.. before two years) and will be better, regardless of backing of any company, I mean look at BR, and look at how companies are cutting cost at this time...

For the people that think Sony is the only owner of BR (They are not)

Look at the PS3 and Sony: see sony is trying to bring Blu-ray and at THE SAME TIME trying to bring Digital Download to the people with the PS3 and it will not work..


You can not bring a Movie in 1080p on a disc for $20.00 and then bring the same movie to watch for $5.00, (or what ever they charge for the movie, I know it's cheaper then the disc)..  if you own a Mortgage, Car payment, Insurance, kids, you know how cost can be everything, and we see that now, as people are actually starting to think at this point and time during a recession..



And I'm sorry, but... DD is not a "Ways off of mainstream popularity".. I mean come on, look at the numbers..

PS3, 360, Netflix, Apple, all have record or on the Up* downloads..

On-Demand is at a all time high..

it's not a fanboy thing, it's reality

If a New Format doesn't kill BR it will be DD..

Look at CD's <-------

 



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Sega, are you saying that new disc formats (with more storage than BR) will come out in the next few years and pass BR in popularity?

I agree that DD is becoming more popular. I just don't understand what you're saying about other formats (maybe I read that too quickly.)



 

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Well mainly the reason why digital music have become so popular (Won't say MP3's as I don't use 'em) is because it's so easy to share your music with your friends and the download doesn't take at all long, downloading an MP3 that is!

This is one reason also of why FLAC hasn't grown as fast as it could've... it's a larger file size which = to slower downloading and taking more space up.

This is also the main reason why DD hasn't taken off as fast as it could, plus with most of the DD'ers you only stream! your not actually getting the film so you can digitally transfer it to you PMP's.

What quality do the streams have? If it's not on par to blu ray on a even a 37" then it's not ready. Because to me DD at the moment only looks as an alternative for the less rich/lazy/ones with bad eye sight who care more about saving their money than experience a film more and more as it should be.



starcraft said:
Wait a moment?

How many households are in the USA? 150 million?

And they reckon 22% (33 million) of those households will have PS3's by 2012?

Epic, wondrous fail.

Probably around 80 million households. (Average household 4 persons?).



 

^ Most people couldn't tell the difference between a really good download and a Blu Ray disc. Since a lot of people have trouble with/don't care about the difference between BR and DVD there will be even fewer people who will care/tell between say a 5GB 1080P movie and BR.

a 5GB / 90 minute download is 7.4Mbit, a 10Mbit connection nets 6.75GB which are both better than DVD and is one of the most commonly available download speeds. So pretty much anyone with a decent/average connection could watch a high quality movie instantly and keep it as well.

Anyone with a 50MBit connection could stream at a higher quality than Blu Ray if the content were available, and those internet services are being rolled out right now.



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Lostplanet22 said:
starcraft said:
Wait a moment?

How many households are in the USA? 150 million?

And they reckon 22% (33 million) of those households will have PS3's by 2012?

Epic, wondrous fail.

Probably around 80 million households. (Average household 4 persons?).

2007 estimate: 111,162,259

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_households_are_in_the_US



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JOhnyBravoos said:
Well mainly the reason why digital music have become so popular (Won't say MP3's as I don't use 'em) is because it's so easy to share your music with your friends and the download doesn't take at all long, downloading an MP3 that is!

This is one reason also of why FLAC hasn't grown as fast as it could've... it's a larger file size which = to slower downloading and taking more space up.

This is also the main reason why DD hasn't taken off as fast as it could, plus with most of the DD'ers you only stream! your not actually getting the film so you can digitally transfer it to you PMP's.

What quality do the streams have? If it's not on par to blu ray on a even a 37" then it's not ready. Because to me DD at the moment only looks as an alternative for the less rich/lazy/ones with bad eye sight who care more about saving their money than experience a film more and more as it should be.

DD is ready weather it is ready for you is another matter. The vast majority are actually happy with the output of a standard DVD and are certainly happy with upscaled DVD. So it is fair to say with improvements in delivery such as the HD smooth-streaming they will be happy with that as well.

Also it is probably worth asking whether we actually want to own movies if the price is $20 or whether we prefer to watch once. Currently I fall into the category of watch once but if I see a DVD that is cheap that I previously enjoyed I may also purchase that. Certainly I have some movies I would buy without watching once but it is not the majority and very much the minority.

It is a tough market but it is not going to get any easier for BR only more competitive. They need to make the format available simultanesously with the DVD but offer at the same price. If they did that it would make those at least with the option of buying A or B to go for B. What you then have to ask yourself is why would they do that as that does not drive up sales rather simply matches them.



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