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ShadowSoldier said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
BMaker11 said:
Under the assumption that what this guy is saying is the truth, his actions were completely justified. If 4 big, swole dudes came at me like that, even after firing a warning shot, I'd pull the trigger also. The worst this guy should get is manslaughter, because it was self defense, and should be found not guilty for that charge, if he felt he was in danger.

....under the assumption that what this guy is saying is the truth

I'm a gun owner. You have to be very responsible with your weapons. They are NOT for using against people. They are NOT for use in disputes or fights. They are not toys. Period.

You DO NOT USE A GUN IN A FIGHT!

Guns are used personal defense mainly as a deterrant, if and only when you are absolutely sure your life is in immediate danger.

Give and audible warning before presenting your firearm.

DO NOT point your gun at someone unless you are trying to kill them.

In the circumstances given here, the defendant should have never brought his gun out.

Trust me, taking an ass whooping is a hell of a lot better than killing a man, I don't care if you get off scott free.

Responsible gun ownership is vital.

If you are prepared to fire your gun into another human being, you must be absolutely sure that firing that gun is the only reasonable alternative left to save your life. You don't shoot 4 people because they are trying to jack your PS2 after you let them into your house. You call the police(or beat their ass with a baseball bat, or stab them, or whatever. That is fighting. DO NOT pull that 12 gauge, you'll regret it).

If he wasn't adult enough to know that, then he wasn't adult enough to own a gun.

That said, I'm not for taking guns away from irresponsible people. Instead, I'm for putting those people in prison for the rest of their lives, when they mess up. This is America, afterall, and every man/woman has the right to carry a gun. Everyone gets one chance. However, you take on a great responsibility when you own that weapon. Every gun owner should realize that. To legally purchase that firearm, you are told that on at least 4 seperate occasions, that you are taking on a magnificant responsibility. Most people shouldn't take it on...however, it is the individuals choice, and that is how it should be. Without freedom, what's the point of saftey? Someone said, a people who would sacrafice freedom for security deserves neither. Well said.

You didn't really understand the article did you? The 4 guys ran into his apartment accusing him of stealing a PS2 which he didnt take. When they were threatening his life he went for his gun. He fired a warning shot and they still advanced. Now I dont know about you but Im pretty sure if he did let them attack him they probably would have severely beaten him or even kill him.

Uhhh. I doubt it. At most, they woulda whooped his ass. He had no right to shoot them.



 

 

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ShadowSoldier said:
 

You didn't really understand the article did you? The 4 guys ran into his apartment accusing him of stealing a PS2 which he didnt take. When they were threatening his life he went for his gun. He fired a warning shot and they still advanced. Now I dont know about you but Im pretty sure if he did let them attack him they probably would have severely beaten him or even kill him.

Still not enough reason to use a gun.

It was May 7, 2007, when Roderick Buycks Jr. along with three other friends came to Brooks' apartment just west of the California State University, Fresno, campus. The four were looking for Buyck's stolen PS2, which Brooks insisted that he didn't nick, but the four kept arguing with him. Brooks went back to his bedroom, grabbed his .22-caliber revolver, shooting Buyck in the neck, the two others, but Buyck's friend Brant Daniels was killed in the incident.

When he went into the bedroom, he could have called the police, or let them take the PS2. When your life is in dangers, you don't have time to go get your gun and come back to the scene.

That said, a man does have a right to defend his life with deadly force. However, in this case, if they let this kid get away with claiming self defense, then EVERYONE who ever shot somebody could claim the same thing. Self defense shootings must stand up to very rigirous investigations. This one doesn't.

A few things could change and this would be plausible.

 

If the defendant lived on private land, and not an apartment complex with a legal right of way and assumption of saftey..

If the victims broke in to the apartment, rather than ran in.

If the defendant's apartment door has been closed.

If the gun wasn't in the bedroom.

If this didn't take place in California.

If Brooks didn't have a reputation for immaturity and irresponsibility related to firearm culture.

If Brooks only fired 1 shot.

If Brooks called the police before the shooting.

If Brooks hasn't ran away after the shooting.

 

All of those things would vastly change the circumstances.

As it stands now, the judge did what's expected of him, as he should. That story is bogus. On these forums, we judge things by what we can prove. In court, you judge things by what a reasonable man would deduce. Absolute proof is never required. That is a common misconception.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

The media shits me off

" and now he will be spending the rest of his life in prison all because of a dispute rooted from an allegedly stolen PlayStation 2. Violent video games again? Not this time.

Prosecutor Burton Francis said that Brooks liked to flash a gun, deal drugs, and act like 'a wannabe gangster.' "

The dispute was not rooted in a stolen PS2, it was rooted in this guy's inability to control his emotions, just because something happened shortly before something else, doesn't mean it caused it.



ZenfoldorVGI said:

I'm a gun owner.

 

I think you just reach badass status.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

Stupid kid has thrown away his entire life. It's over. I bet when he got that gun, he thought he was so cool. He thought, "I'm a gangsta. Nobody better fuck with me." He's got the rest of his life to think about what he could have done differently.



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d21lewis said:
Stupid kid has thrown away his entire life. It's over. I bet when he got that gun, he thought he was so cool. He thought, "I'm a gangsta. Nobody better fuck with me." He's got the rest of his life to think about what he could have done differently.

I don't know... it seems like he relaxing at his own place, and 4 kids randomly barged in all pissed off, accusing him of stealing something he didn't. That's not to say it's not possible the kid is a prick, but I don't think we should just listen to the prosecutor blindly. I mean, it's the prosecutor's (and the defendant's) job to spin things.

The prosecutor says "He's a cocky wanabe gangster"

The defendant says "He's a honest boy that was scared".

The only thing we know for sure is that the kid didn't steal anything, and he didn't initiate anything, but was inside his home.



I'm going to have to agree with Zenfolder on this one......as much as it pains me.



Akvod said:
d21lewis said:
Stupid kid has thrown away his entire life. It's over. I bet when he got that gun, he thought he was so cool. He thought, "I'm a gangsta. Nobody better fuck with me." He's got the rest of his life to think about what he could have done differently.

I don't know... it seems like he relaxing at his own place, and 4 kids randomly barged in all pissed off, accusing him of stealing something he didn't. That's not to say it's not possible the kid is a prick, but I don't think we should just listen to the prosecutor blindly. I mean, it's the prosecutor's (and the defendant's) job to spin things.

The prosecutor says "He's a cocky wanabe gangster"

The defendant says "He's a honest boy that was scared".

The only thing we know for sure is that the kid didn't steal anything, and he didn't initiate anything, but was inside his home.

Oh wait, we know one more thing - he was 17, with a gun that he wasn't supposed to be using. Little facts like that go a long way to making the jury see "cocky wannabe gangster" as the most likely truth.



ZenfoldorVGI said:
BMaker11 said:
Under the assumption that what this guy is saying is the truth, his actions were completely justified. If 4 big, swole dudes came at me like that, even after firing a warning shot, I'd pull the trigger also. The worst this guy should get is manslaughter, because it was self defense, and should be found not guilty for that charge, if he felt he was in danger.

....under the assumption that what this guy is saying is the truth

That said, I'm not for taking guns away from irresponsible people. Instead, I'm for putting those people in prison for the rest of their lives, when they mess up. This is America, afterall, and every man/woman has the right to carry a gun. Everyone gets one chance. However, you take on a great responsibility when you own that weapon. Every gun owner should realize that. To legally purchase that firearm, you are told that on at least 4 seperate occasions, that you are taking on a magnificant responsibility. Most people shouldn't take it on...however, it is the individuals choice, and that is how it should be. Without freedom, what's the point of saftey? Someone said, a people who would sacrafice freedom for security deserves neither. Well said.

Every man/woman is given the right to carry a gun - it doesn't mean they should have it. In some countries, you have the right to treat women like property - doesn't make it right either. Irresponsible people ABSOLUTELY should lose the "right" to wield firearms. Spend their life in prison when they mess up? It's easy to say that, but 'messing' up with a gun, like in this situation, means you spend life in prison, someone else is six feet under. I'm sure their family and friends are glad irresponsible people have the freedom to wield deadly weapons.

Without freedom whats' the point of safety? If you get caught drunk driving these days, your license gets suspended. So you think noone should lose their license until they kill someone behind the wheel?

It was Ben Franklin who made the quote you mentioned, and being a founding father doesn't make that quote correct. There are limits to freedom. We aren't free to murder, so why make it easy? I'm not suggesting banning guns, but everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE should fully endorse taking guns from irresponsible people. "Cocky wannabe ganster" types gets their hands on a gun, and everyone loses.



Akvod said:
d21lewis said:
Stupid kid has thrown away his entire life. It's over. I bet when he got that gun, he thought he was so cool. He thought, "I'm a gangsta. Nobody better fuck with me." He's got the rest of his life to think about what he could have done differently.

I don't know... it seems like he relaxing at his own place, and 4 kids randomly barged in all pissed off, accusing him of stealing something he didn't. That's not to say it's not possible the kid is a prick, but I don't think we should just listen to the prosecutor blindly. I mean, it's the prosecutor's (and the defendant's) job to spin things.

The prosecutor says "He's a cocky wanabe gangster"

The defendant says "He's a honest boy that was scared".

The only thing we know for sure is that the kid didn't steal anything, and he didn't initiate anything, but was inside his home.


Why are people saying he never stole the Playstation 2? He could of easily took it with him and dumped it before returning.

 

Anyway if this was in the UK he would of probably got 14 years and then be out on 8 for good behavior.