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Aj_habfan on 26 June 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Well actually even then they have to hope that their hardware becomes profitable, since if they keep losing tons of money on PS3's and the like it won't matter if they even make some profit on the sales of movies, they will lose more from the hardware.

I think they would be better off creating more streamlined, focused machines designed around their media, kind of like what Nintendo has done.


What do you think the PSP GO! is?  It's shaped more like a dual shock controller to help play games. Has a gorgeous screen which helps with games and movie playback which can all be purchased from the device itself. It's already been profitable before and with the go the margins only rise.


Problem is that the machine has a very weak games library, as illustrated by poor games sales, look at the DS by comparison, a much less powerful machine with less features, yet it sells far more both hardware and software, and is a profit generating machine for Nintendo

Sales indicate quality? I'll have to remember that one.



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Galaki on 26 June 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
you can't say that RIAA's figures are false

In other words, if I can't prove something wrong, then it is right?

In other words, you can't prove God does not exist. Therefore, God exists?



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everdom on 26 June 2009
Aj_habfan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Well actually even then they have to hope that their hardware becomes profitable, since if they keep losing tons of money on PS3's and the like it won't matter if they even make some profit on the sales of movies, they will lose more from the hardware.

I think they would be better off creating more streamlined, focused machines designed around their media, kind of like what Nintendo has done.


What do you think the PSP GO! is?  It's shaped more like a dual shock controller to help play games. Has a gorgeous screen which helps with games and movie playback which can all be purchased from the device itself. It's already been profitable before and with the go the margins only rise.


Problem is that the machine has a very weak games library, as illustrated by poor games sales, look at the DS by comparison, a much less powerful machine with less features, yet it sells far more both hardware and software, and is a profit generating machine for Nintendo

Sales indicate quality? I'll have to remember that one.

Yes they do indicate a level of quality to the consumer, you should remember it when comparing Nintendo software sales to any other company.



Avinash_Tyagi on 26 June 2009
Galaki said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
you can't say that RIAA's figures are false

In other words, if I can't prove something wrong, then it is right?

In other words, you can't prove God does not exist. Therefore, God exists?


No it merely means you can't read.

 

Did you miss the rest of the post or were the words too big for you?  As I pointed out, unless you have eivdence you can't say that something is false, but merely saying you can't prove something is false does not make it true either, we aren't dealing with binary here, if something can't be proven wrong, then its not proven wrong, and that's it, doesn;t mean its right though it may be in that grey area of nobody knows



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Galaki on 26 June 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Galaki said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
you can't say that RIAA's figures are false

In other words, if I can't prove something wrong, then it is right?

In other words, you can't prove God does not exist. Therefore, God exists?


No it merely means you can't read.

 

Did you miss the rest of the post or were the words too big for you?  As I pointed out, unless you have eivdence you can't say that something is false, but merely saying you can't prove something is false does not make it true either, we aren't dealing with binary here, if something can't be proven wrong, then its not proven wrong, and that's it, doesn;t mean its right though it may be in that grey area of nobody knows

Then why bring in their stats, at all?



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Aj_habfan on 26 June 2009
everdom said:
Aj_habfan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Well actually even then they have to hope that their hardware becomes profitable, since if they keep losing tons of money on PS3's and the like it won't matter if they even make some profit on the sales of movies, they will lose more from the hardware.

I think they would be better off creating more streamlined, focused machines designed around their media, kind of like what Nintendo has done.


What do you think the PSP GO! is?  It's shaped more like a dual shock controller to help play games. Has a gorgeous screen which helps with games and movie playback which can all be purchased from the device itself. It's already been profitable before and with the go the margins only rise.


Problem is that the machine has a very weak games library, as illustrated by poor games sales, look at the DS by comparison, a much less powerful machine with less features, yet it sells far more both hardware and software, and is a profit generating machine for Nintendo

Sales indicate quality? I'll have to remember that one.

Yes they do indicate a level of quality to the consumer, you should remember it when comparing Nintendo software sales to any other company.

Okay. So Wii Fit is the greatest game ever made, and Madworld is a piece of shit. Gotcha.



Avinash_Tyagi on 26 June 2009
Galaki said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Galaki said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
you can't say that RIAA's figures are false

In other words, if I can't prove something wrong, then it is right?

In other words, you can't prove God does not exist. Therefore, God exists?


No it merely means you can't read.

 

Did you miss the rest of the post or were the words too big for you?  As I pointed out, unless you have eivdence you can't say that something is false, but merely saying you can't prove something is false does not make it true either, we aren't dealing with binary here, if something can't be proven wrong, then its not proven wrong, and that's it, doesn;t mean its right though it may be in that grey area of nobody knows

Then why bring in their stats, at all?


because there aren't better stats availible, trust me the second I can find something better, i'll be glad to change it

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 26 June 2009
Aj_habfan said:
everdom said:
Aj_habfan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Well actually even then they have to hope that their hardware becomes profitable, since if they keep losing tons of money on PS3's and the like it won't matter if they even make some profit on the sales of movies, they will lose more from the hardware.

I think they would be better off creating more streamlined, focused machines designed around their media, kind of like what Nintendo has done.


What do you think the PSP GO! is?  It's shaped more like a dual shock controller to help play games. Has a gorgeous screen which helps with games and movie playback which can all be purchased from the device itself. It's already been profitable before and with the go the margins only rise.


Problem is that the machine has a very weak games library, as illustrated by poor games sales, look at the DS by comparison, a much less powerful machine with less features, yet it sells far more both hardware and software, and is a profit generating machine for Nintendo

Sales indicate quality? I'll have to remember that one.

Yes they do indicate a level of quality to the consumer, you should remember it when comparing Nintendo software sales to any other company.

Okay. So Wii Fit is the greatest game ever made, and Madworld is a piece of shit. Gotcha.


For the consumers, yes, each consumer acts as a reviewer, and their reviews are shown in what they purchase, just as the media makes their reviews, the consumers do as well



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Galaki on 27 June 2009

So, it's fine to use faulty stats to support your argument because you cannot find factual stats?



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mibuokami on 27 June 2009

Informative read on Sir Stringer's uphill struggle to turn Sony around. There is so much potential in this company and so many more missed oppurtunities...