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Tyrannical on 24 June 2009
Rath said:
@Football. Its only a brilliant attack on the taliban if it killed taliban and only taliban.

If any civilians were killed then its extremely counterproductive.

I would question what kind of civilian goes to a Taliban funeral?



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ironman on 24 June 2009
Tyrannical said:
Rath said:
@Football. Its only a brilliant attack on the taliban if it killed taliban and only taliban.

If any civilians were killed then its extremely counterproductive.

I would question what kind of civilian goes to a Taliban funeral?

Perhaps they went to rejoice?



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Rath on 24 June 2009
Tyrannical said:
Rath said:
@Football. Its only a brilliant attack on the taliban if it killed taliban and only taliban.

If any civilians were killed then its extremely counterproductive.

I would question what kind of civilian goes to a Taliban funeral?

His children/grandchildren/mother/sister perhaps?

Just because they are related to the taliban militants doesn't make them taliban themselves, and the deaths of any civilians (children in particular) in strikes like this just looks terrible for the USA.

@ironman. Its not that the media are pro-Obama, its the fact that you're anti-Obama that you see it that way.



ironman on 24 June 2009
Rath said:
Tyrannical said:
Rath said:
@Football. Its only a brilliant attack on the taliban if it killed taliban and only taliban.

If any civilians were killed then its extremely counterproductive.

I would question what kind of civilian goes to a Taliban funeral?

His children/grandchildren/mother/sister perhaps?

Just because they are related to the taliban militants doesn't make them taliban themselves, and the deaths of any civilians (children in particular) in strikes like this just looks terrible for the USA.

@ironman. Its not that the media are pro-Obama, its the fact that you're anti-Obama that you see it that way.

Well no actually, the media is heavily pro Obama. I beleive they gave him somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% more facetime than Bush. And yes, I am anti-Obama in that everything he stands for goes against my moral values and common sence. 



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outlawauron on 24 June 2009

Eh, I'm not sure how you can argue that generally, media is very pro-Obama.



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Rath on 24 June 2009

Well maybe the American media is =/
I follow largely either NZ media or the BBC for my news and neither seem to have any inherent bias towards Obama.

If so then my bad =P

Edit: Oh and I occasionally follow Fox news, just for laughs. They're definately not pro-Obama =P.



ironman on 24 June 2009
Rath said:

Well maybe the American media is =/
I follow largely either NZ media or the BBC for my news and neither seem to have any inherent bias towards Obama.

If so then my bad =P

Edit: Oh and I occasionally follow Fox news, just for laughs. They're definately not pro-Obama =P.

Actually, they are, they even gave him more positive coverage than Bush. 



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outlawauron on 24 June 2009
Rath said:

Well maybe the American media is =/
I follow largely either NZ media or the BBC for my news and neither seem to have any inherent bias towards Obama.

If so then my bad =P

Edit: Oh and I occasionally follow Fox news, just for laughs. They're definately not pro-Obama =P.

Yeah, Fox isn't pro-Obama but I wouldn't call them anti-Obama. They are just very critical of him.

 

We still have, well, everyone else that feels differently about Obama.



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Rath on 24 June 2009

1). The BBC at least has a very neutral tone in its news articles, it just reports news.

2). Comparing somebodies positive facetime to Bush is foolish as Bush is already considered to be a fairly poor president.

http://www.c-span.org/PresidentialSurvey/Overall-Ranking.aspx

Thats the latest poll of historians. He doesn't exactly have a great rating there.

3). Obama is more popular with Americans than G.W.Bush. Therefore perhaps he gets more positive stories because he is actually (in the eyes of the majority of Americans) a better president than G.W.Bush.



Kasz216 on 24 June 2009
NJ5 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/asia/24pstan.html?ref=global-home

First three paragraphs:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An airstrike believed to be carried out by a United States drone killed at least 60 people at a funeral in South Waziristan on Tuesday, residents of the area and local news reports said.

Details of the attack, which occurred in Makeen, remained unclear, but the reported death toll was exceptionally high. If the reports are indeed accurate and if the attack was carried out by a drone, the strike would be perhaps the deadliest since the United States began using the aircraft to fire remotely guided missiles at members of theTaliban and Al Qaeda in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

If confirmed, the strike would be the 23rd by a United States drone this year, as the Obama administration has intensified a policy inherited from the Bush administration.

(...)

If I was from Pakistan I would be very pissed off...

 

Well it was one of Obama's campaign promises.

He said if he had what he believed to be actionable intellegence in Afghanistan he would bomb the country with or without the governments approval.

Me... I disagreed with that stance.

Most people applauded him for his "tough stance on terrorism."

Anyone think he's just following the bush plan or doing something Clinton or McCain would do... you weren't paying enough attention to the election.