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bdbdbd said:
@Squilliam: You seem to be somewhat in line with me, if GC to Wii related to the point you were making. The key is, that i'm thinking M$ is making a system, which games can't be played with 360. One of the reasons for this is what you mentioned: if they release a new SKU, it's too close to the next gen system and it pisses everyone.
Looking at how much M$ gained by being first one out this gen, i would think M$ wants to use that advantage again. If they put out a new console, that has something that resembles their Natal project, they could be betting to even getting some momentum.

The Gamecube -> Wii transition was exactly the transition I was thinking. However the key difference is that it would have to be a soft generational chage rather than a hard generational change. With the Wii Nintendo only had 24M consoles sold and they had the other console manufacturers releasing in short order simultaniously so the whole industry and consumers supported and expected the changeover or at least accepted it. With upwards of 40M Xbox 360s sold and many sold recently they have quite a young and plentiful userbase whilst the Gamecube did not. This is the reason why I believe that both next and current generation will be supported simultaniously, perhaps even initially with the same media. They have every incentive to release a new generation of consoles but at the same time they cannot afford to orphan the current userbase.

The goal of an Xbox Natal is to aquire users they could not have otherwise obtained with the current marketing/product mix of the Xbox 360 IMO. So I would suspect they would use seperate branding to distinguish between games designed for the Natal camera and games designed for the standard controller. They could colour code them to tell people which is which. Say the current green for games designed with the standard controller and white (Wii) or blue for games which are playable with Natal mainly or exclusively. So they could call it Xbox 360 Natal or whatever name they chose and any Xbox 360 games would be playable on both but only Xbox 360 Natal games could be played on that system and beyond that using a colour code to tell people which interface was best used for the games. That seems like the best system I can think of for them to support both userbases at once.

 

 



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Squilliam said:

The Gamecube -> Wii transition was exactly the transition I was thinking. However the key difference is that it would have to be a soft generational chage rather than a hard generational change. With the Wii Nintendo only had 24M consoles sold and they had the other console manufacturers releasing in short order simultaniously so the whole industry and consumers supported and expected the changeover or at least accepted it. With upwards of 40M Xbox 360s sold and many sold recently they have quite a young and plentiful userbase whilst the Gamecube did not. This is the reason why I believe that both next and current generation will be supported simultaniously, perhaps even initially with the same media. They have every incentive to release a new generation of consoles but at the same time they cannot afford to orphan the current userbase.


The goal of an Xbox Natal is to aquire users they could not have otherwise obtained with the current marketing/product mix of the Xbox 360 IMO. So I would suspect they would use seperate branding to distinguish between games designed for the Natal camera and games designed for the standard controller. They could colour code them to tell people which is which. Say the current green for games designed with the standard controller and white (Wii) or blue for games which are playable with Natal mainly or exclusively. So they could call it Xbox 360 Natal or whatever name they chose and any Xbox 360 games would be playable on both but only Xbox 360 Natal games could be played on that system and beyond that using a colour code to tell people which interface was best used for the games. That seems like the best system I can think of for them to support both userbases at once.


 


 




This is pretty much what i thought too. Except that i believe the hardware will have a slight upgrade in processing power, some bottlenecks will be solved and it has a mandatory HDD.
The system however should force the developers to use the new controls as a default method, in order for the controls to catch wind.

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I would say that it would be a pretty good idea for them to release updated hardware at the same time. I would suspect that they wouldn't go for a HDD, however fast flash would make sense as it doubles as larger and slower additional pool of ram as well and that unifies the Arcade concept with the Premium at a lower price.

Im not sure about making Natal mandatory, but I concede that its probably the only way to get developers to consider using and forcing them is the best method. Though best practices aren't always maintained, somewhere in the design documentation is a requirement that all games be 720P with 2xAA which means a lot of games don't fulfill the Xbox 360 requirements.



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binary solo said:
NJ5 said:

They have to somewhat follow (or even lead) the competition in terms of launch date. It's not like the PS brand is high enough that they can just sit on the PS3 if newer consoles from Nintendo/MS pop up.

IMO, without exclusive support from 3rd parties (which Sony would have to buy a lot of) a late launch would doom the PS4 to failure.

 

OR go completely out of synch with MS and Ninty. PS3 will have a massive install base compared to X720 and Wii2 at launch, it will still be actively producing good titles, and it woun't have reached market saturation. If the PS3 price point is below the prices of the 720 and Wii2, but still technically close to them (particularly Wii2), then they will retain 3rd party multi-plat support, look at thte number of PS2 multiplat titles still coming out. Then look to release the PS4 when technical superiority over the PS3 still allows a good entry price for the PS4 (starting price $399?), comparable to the 720. I'd suggest 2 1/2 years after 720.

Third parties will be well into the swing of PS3 development and still capable of producing quality product for some time to come. If 720 is going to be a quantum leap above 360 it will take quite some time for the 3rd parties to get to the level where they are making products that are beyond PS360 capability. It's really only when 3rd parties start ditching PS3 because of technical limitations that Sony will need to be ready to hit the market with PS4

You can either look at it as Sony wanting to get out from under MS's/Ninty's shadow(s). Or wanting to shake these companies off their coattail, but releasing on a time period where they are the only new console will give them some clear air.

My console cycle is about 6 years, and 2-3 years after release. So since I'm buying my PS3 next month I'd be looking for Sony to release PS4 in about 2013 or 2014 for me to buy in 2015/16.

I also wonder what a short generation interval will do for Wii2. If the pundits are right and much of the Wii sales are in the casual, WiiFit demographic, can this demographic be relied upon to upgrade to Wii2? I have a hunch this dempgraphic isn't the technoslave that so-called "core" gamers are. So too short a time frame between Wii and Wii2 may not be so good for that console, many of the WiiFit generation may be happy to carry on with their Wii and balance board and not migrate to a console with features they have no significant interest in. These people will already have HD players for their movies, and won't be playing games that demand the most intricate graphical, or sophisticated game play quality, so how does HD capable and bigger HDD attract those punters? Ninty will need to have some casual tech that blows their current casual tech out of the water to attract the WiiFit generation over to them. Can they do it?

So you want the Playstation brand, which has lost the largest percentage of market share this generation, to sit the first two years of the next generation OUT, allowing thier competitors to fight for 100% of the then "next-gen" market?

I'm sorry I don't follow your logic at all, and for Sony's sake, I hope they don't either.  I think Sony made some fundamental mistakes this generation, but I expect their next console team to learn from those mistakes and the PS4 to be that much stronger for it.  I also expect them to aggresively compete for every percentage of market share.  Do they launch day and date with the new Wii or XBOX?  Maybe not. But two years later?  That would be a recipe for disaster.



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I think the next Sony console will come bundled with motion controls and be called the Pii - why not, the controls are already copied, might as well take the name too

Seriously though, I think that the PS3 will stick it out till about 2012 at least, if not 2014. I think that they'll pull the PS3 10 year plan short by 2 years.



Wow, thanks for putting in some blatant misinformation in the first sentence, ensuring that I don't waste me time reading the rest.



 



ok M$ has stated that natal will work with EVERY xbox 360 that is out therefore no new console or upgrade...... unless all the new games work with the old system.

They also said they are not even halfway done with this gen.

so all this talk is pointless.



@Squilliam: Let's put it this way: internal memory in size of tens of gigabytes.

It was 720p/15fps minimum. But what i understood, it was the output, not the native resolution of the game. Well, you propably are more familiar with the subject that i am.

Dno said:
ok M$ has stated that natal will work with EVERY xbox 360 that is out therefore no new console or upgrade...... unless all the new games work with the old system.

They also said they are not even halfway done with this gen.

so all this talk is pointless.



They have said lots of other stuff too that has been only marketing talk. So no, this isn't pointless.

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