Mike does a good job of making sure that he's a running joke at any forum he visits (and eventually gets banned from). After a while you start to feel bad for someone this pitiful....Looks like Ghostbusters and Activision comments seems to have triggered his little nerd rage again :(

jcp234 said: jake_the_fake1 said: jcp234 said: jake_the_fake1 said: jcp234 said: MikeB said: jcp234 said: MikeB said: @ ZenfoldorVGI lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling? Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4 are IMO worthy. Mass Effect I played it, I thought it was overhyped (besides the technical issues). BioShock is IMO much better, but in hindsight also overhyped despite being a good game. (For the record, when released I publically stated BioShock, Mass Effect and Lost Planet looked great judging from the trailers and said I wanted them on the PS3, in hindsight IMO all 3 were overhyped originally) From what I've been hearing. Uncharted is short enough to be a movie. So, maybe that's what the developers were going for. But I've never had to pay $60 for a movie. You have been misinformed. Maybe you were thinking of Heavenly Sword, that was a bit short with some of the slick movie-like cutscenes. 6-8 hours for a videogame? 10 hour max? On the amazing Blu-Ray? and with the amazing cell? That's it? neither Cell or blu-ray are responsible for the game being short, that was the developers choice under their budget and dead line, however, blu-rays capacity would have allowed for a much longer game to have been created if the developers had the time and money to creat all the extra content with out needing to worry to much about running out of room....the Cell, well that's just the processor that has absolutly nothing todo with the length of a game, so be careful there cuz your stepping into trolling land, and once your over you'll be snipered down and banned. Actually, you are proving my point. Why didn't the developers take advantage of the amazing blu-ray potential? Especially, considering the game is PS3 exclusive? And your threats of being "sniped" and being "banned" do not threaten me. Just something to keep in mind in the future. I appreciate the fact that Microsoft did not integrate HD-DVD or Blu-ray into the 360. Increased capacity means more resources/higher expectations...which translates to higher costs. It's good that Microsoft chose DVD. you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid. Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making. Right, because gamers have never had to swap discs. That's such a super amazing benefit! I'd pay a $100 or more premium just to not have to swap discs. LOL Like, I said before...I am happy Microsoft chose the DVD media format. I really do not find blu-ray to be that compelling ar the moment. For me personally, God of War II was too short...I am hoping the same mistake is not made twice with God of War III. Sony and supporters alike have been throwing blu-ray in everyone's face...There seems to be no reason why a Sony exclusive developer should not take advantage of it.

 

You do realize the the PS3 can play blu-ray movies right....the point of blu-ray for games however was just for the pure capacity.

lets have a hyperthetical, if lets say lost odesy was on the PS3 then it would only use 1 blu-ray, we both pay like $60US but the differnece would be that you'd have to swap discs while I wouldn't, now I know for most it's not an issue but here's my question, if given the option for the 360 to buy the game for the same price but one had 4 DVDs, while the other had just 1 blu-ray, which version would you buy?

I my self given the above option for this hyperthetical would choose the blu-ray version, if it cost the same, then why put up with disc swapping.

oh, in regards to not taking advantage, MGS4 was one that required a 50GB disc, granted though it had allot of 1080p footage, but for what the game was trying to achive, the extra capacity served them well, MGS4 was almost like a movie and quit enjoyable, if you don't agree then it's understandable since we all have different tastes, but the fact remains that here a sony exclusive developed game using the capacity to it's fullest, but this is just one extreme, like I said, just because its there doesn't mean it has to be used, it's just a freedom that developers don't have think about to much when creating a game.

txrattlesnake said: ZenfoldorVGI said: txrattlesnake said: kowenicki said: @txrattlesnake what!?      What I said.  I want to see one game on 360 that has a deeper than average run of the mill weekend movie on the Sc-Fi Channl.  So far, I haven't seen one and most of the games on the 360 could be Sci-Fi Channel movies in movie form.  Certainly, Gears of War doesn't have much more of a story than Starship Troopers and Alan Wake is just about like your run of the mill horror film.   On the other hand a game like The Last Guardian (and even Heavy Rain seems closer to a David Lynch film than your average horror film) seem to have deeper artistic aspirations. lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling? ...and 360 games couldn't even have their stories put on the Sci-Fi channel? Ever play Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, Fallout 3, Dead Space, Lost Odyssey? Ever see StarShip troopers or a "run of the mill" horror film on the Sci-Fi channel? Not only did you significantly contradict yourself, but you also created one of the most insignificant and insubstantiated arguments I've ever heard on ANY subject. What does the quality of the storyline in the best game on the Xbox 360 have to do with this thread? Have you played The Last Gaurdian or Heavy Rain? Could they be on Sci-Fi? What exactly are you implying with your statements towards the 360's top story based games library?      That the stories in what are considered to be great 360 games aren't any deeper than those in movies on The Sci-Fi Channel and are many times influenced by those movies.  Gears of War isn't any better than Starship Trooper or Dog Soldiers.  Heck, they've got a movie coming on in a couple of seconds called Savage Planet.  I'm sure it is just a B movie but better than any 360 games.

No game has ever reached A movie level in its storytelling. If any game comes close, it certainly isn't the confusing and overlong, and poorly translated MGS4....it would be GTAIV. Period. As for Starship Troopers, what's wrong with having a story like that in a game. It wasn't a terrible movie, honestly, and it was fun. So was Gears.

What, imo, is ignorant, is that you seem to be implying that a single game with a movie level story would mean one console is superior than the other. You are obviously influenced by pro Sony bias, so why, oh why, do you insist that games which are not yet released will have better stories than ANY game on the Xbox 360? Really? Bioshock and Mass Effect? Vesperia? Do you mean exclusives?

gergroy said: jake_the_fake1 said: you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid. Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making. Wow, halo 3 required 2 dvd's?  I never realized, this whole time I've been playing with one dvd and evidently there were 2.  Who would of known... haha

LOL what have I been missing??? Is that why the campaign was so short?

@jake_the_fake1
in your hypothetical, would this blu ray version require multple mandatory installs like mgs4 that take like 10 minutes to install? Because getting up and changing the disc is a lot quicker than waiting for those cursed long installs.

@ jake_the_fake1,

Let me say this to you as simply as I can...everything blu-ray can do and is intended for...I have zero interest in at the moment. I'll skip out until next generation.

The costs are not worth it. The DVD counterpart is usually always cheaper. Even when I purchase a PS3, I will not be purchasing blu-ray movies anytime soon. I am not really pressed to pay the premium of viewing movies in" true HD". And I have verizon FiOS and netflix on my 360. It gets the job done mighty nicely.

Edit: I see other posters have also torn apart your ranting about blu-ray and your false statement about Halo 3 being on two discs.

@ ironman

Halo 3 was not only short, it was also repetitive. It should be easy using repetitive measures to make the game twice as long even on a DVD.

The Blu-Ray advantage more relates to assets. You can have more varierty or opt for higher quality of assets. If you don't want to resort to repetitive measures, you can have a bigger game with similar quality assets on Blu-Ray than on DVD, but of course that means more game design investments as well.

dude, are you insecure again?
anyway this thread proves it is the otherway around
fap fap fap

ironman said: gergroy said: jake_the_fake1 said: you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid. Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making. Wow, halo 3 required 2 dvd's?  I never realized, this whole time I've been playing with one dvd and evidently there were 2.  Who would of known... haha LOL what have I been missing??? Is that why the campaign was so short?

haha, evidently. You would think after the credits role, that it would tell us to put in our second disc, haha.

MikeB said: repetitive