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jcp234 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
@ ZenfoldorVGI

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?


Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4 are IMO worthy.

Mass Effect


I played it, I thought it was overhyped (besides the technical issues). BioShock is IMO much better, but in hindsight also overhyped despite being a good game.

(For the record, when released I publically stated BioShock, Mass Effect and Lost Planet looked great judging from the trailers and said I wanted them on the PS3, in hindsight IMO all 3 were overhyped originally)

From what I've been hearing. Uncharted is short enough to be a movie. So, maybe that's what the developers were going for.

But I've never had to pay $60 for a movie.


You have been misinformed. Maybe you were thinking of Heavenly Sword, that was a bit short with some of the slick movie-like cutscenes.

6-8 hours for a videogame? 10 hour max? On the amazing Blu-Ray? and with the amazing cell? That's it?

neither Cell or blu-ray are responsible for the game being short, that was the developers choice under their budget and dead line, however, blu-rays capacity would have allowed for a much longer game to have been created if the developers had the time and money to creat all the extra content with out needing to worry to much about running out of room....the Cell, well that's just the processor that has absolutly nothing todo with the length of a game, so be careful there cuz your stepping into trolling land, and once your over you'll be snipered down and banned.

Actually, you are proving my point. Why didn't the developers take advantage of the amazing blu-ray potential? Especially, considering the game is PS3 exclusive? And your threats of being "sniped" and being "banned" do not threaten me. Just something to keep in mind in the future.

I appreciate the fact that Microsoft did not integrate HD-DVD or Blu-ray into the 360. Increased capacity means more resources/higher expectations...which translates to higher costs. It's good that Microsoft chose DVD.

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.



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txrattlesnake said:
ironman said:
txrattlesnake said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
txrattlesnake said:
kowenicki said:
@txrattlesnake

what!?


     What I said.  I want to see one game on 360 that has a deeper than average run of the mill weekend movie on the Sc-Fi Channl.  So far, I haven't seen one and most of the games on the 360 could be Sci-Fi Channel movies in movie form.  Certainly, Gears of War doesn't have much more of a story than Starship Troopers and Alan Wake is just about like your run of the mill horror film.

 

On the other hand a game like The Last Guardian (and even Heavy Rain seems closer to a David Lynch film than your average horror film) seem to have deeper artistic aspirations.

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?

...and 360 games couldn't even have their stories put on the Sci-Fi channel?

Ever play Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, Fallout 3, Dead Space, Lost Odyssey?

Ever see StarShip troopers or a "run of the mill" horror film on the Sci-Fi channel?

Not only did you significantly contradict yourself, but you also created one of the most insignificant and insubstantiated arguments I've ever heard on ANY subject.

What does the quality of the storyline in the best game on the Xbox 360 have to do with this thread? Have you played The Last Gaurdian or Heavy Rain? Could they be on Sci-Fi? What exactly are you implying with your statements towards the 360's top story based games library?


     That the stories in what are considered to be great 360 games aren't any deeper than those in movies on The Sci-Fi Channel and are many times influenced by those movies.  Gears of War isn't any better than Starship Trooper or Dog Soldiers.  Heck, they've got a movie coming on in a couple of seconds called Savage Planet.  I'm sure it is just a B movie but better than any 360 games.

How do you figure? Gears of war has a storyline that goes much deeper than the game itself. As does the Mass effect series, and Halo series. To ignore that is pure foolishness. You sir need to leave this thread before the last thread of diginity you have left is ripped away.

 

      Maybe bu they all come out of some sci-fi, Von Daniken, ancient astronauts stuff that's been done innumerable times probably best exemplified in Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica.  Why don't they at least explain them all as being the dreams of a turtle like in Stephen King's
books?  At least it would be something original.

Yes, and the Resistence, Killzone's genre or monsters and aliens have been done a thousand times, Uncharted's genre spawned from Indiana Jones, and Ratchet and Clank is a platformer done one thousand times before by klonoa and Mario. I'm posting on the same level of intellect that your post had.



GOTY Contestants this year: Dead Space 2, Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f. Everything else can suck it.

MikeB said:
jcp234 said:
gergroy said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
@ ZenfoldorVGI

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?


Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4 are IMO worthy.

Mass Effect


I played it, I thought it was overhyped (besides the technical issues). BioShock is IMO much better, but in hindsight also overhyped despite being a good game.

(For the record, when released I publically stated BioShock, Mass Effect and Lost Planet looked great judging from the trailers and said I wanted them on the PS3, in hindsight IMO all 3 were overhyped originally)

From what I've been hearing. Uncharted is short enough to be a movie. So, maybe that's what the developers were going for.

But I've never had to pay $60 for a movie.


You have been misinformed. Maybe you were thinking of Heavenly Sword, that was a bit short with some of the slick movie-like cutscenes.

6-8 hours for a videogame? 10 hour max? On the amazing Blu-Ray? and with the amazing cell? That's it?

nah, uncharted is 15 to 20 hours, which is about right for that type of game.  MikeB is right, you are probably thinking of heavenly sword.

Well, 1) My friend beat the game within 9 hours and I do not really consider him to be too hardcore.

 and 2) If you do a quick google search, I am sure you will find others who have commented on beating the game within 6-8 hours.

I have not played the game myself, so I cannot tell you the run time. My point is...It can be completed anywhere from 6 - 10 hours. Which I consider to be rather short for Blu-Ray technology.

I haven't tried it on easy running through the game, which would IMO be a waste.

The much hyped Half-Life 2 (IMO worthy of the hype at the time) can be completed in well less than 2 hours. That's actually the lenght of a movie, but I did not regret buying that game for my PC.

How big was the Call of Duty 4 single player campaign? Normal run through on normal difficulty in just 5 hours I read. Why not aim your arrows at such a game instead (note you have to pay extra to play online on the 360)?

The PS3 is the console with the super advanced alien technology, correct?

The PS3 has the amazing academy award winning stories, correct?

And the PS3 has the critically acclaimed free online system, correct? Oh, wait...

You mentioned Uncharted...you mentioned the celestial capabilities of the PS3...that's why. The games you mentioned, I honestly have zero interest in playing any of them...

But biased fanboy posts...just make me feel a certain kind of way.

That is all



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

txrattlesnake said:
ironman said:
txrattlesnake said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
txrattlesnake said:
kowenicki said:
@txrattlesnake

what!?


     What I said.  I want to see one game on 360 that has a deeper than average run of the mill weekend movie on the Sc-Fi Channl.  So far, I haven't seen one and most of the games on the 360 could be Sci-Fi Channel movies in movie form.  Certainly, Gears of War doesn't have much more of a story than Starship Troopers and Alan Wake is just about like your run of the mill horror film.

 

On the other hand a game like The Last Guardian (and even Heavy Rain seems closer to a David Lynch film than your average horror film) seem to have deeper artistic aspirations.

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?

...and 360 games couldn't even have their stories put on the Sci-Fi channel?

Ever play Mass Effect, Tales of Vesperia, Fallout 3, Dead Space, Lost Odyssey?

Ever see StarShip troopers or a "run of the mill" horror film on the Sci-Fi channel?

Not only did you significantly contradict yourself, but you also created one of the most insignificant and insubstantiated arguments I've ever heard on ANY subject.

What does the quality of the storyline in the best game on the Xbox 360 have to do with this thread? Have you played The Last Gaurdian or Heavy Rain? Could they be on Sci-Fi? What exactly are you implying with your statements towards the 360's top story based games library?


     That the stories in what are considered to be great 360 games aren't any deeper than those in movies on The Sci-Fi Channel and are many times influenced by those movies.  Gears of War isn't any better than Starship Trooper or Dog Soldiers.  Heck, they've got a movie coming on in a couple of seconds called Savage Planet.  I'm sure it is just a B movie but better than any 360 games.

How do you figure? Gears of war has a storyline that goes much deeper than the game itself. As does the Mass effect series, and Halo series. To ignore that is pure foolishness. You sir need to leave this thread before the last thread of diginity you have left is ripped away.

 

      Maybe but they all come out of some sci-fi, Von Daniken, ancient astronauts stuff that's been done innumerable times probably best exemplified in Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica.  Why don't they at least explain them all as being the dreams of a turtle like in Stephen King's
books?  At least it would be something original.

Aww, too bad you didn't leave this thread, now you have no dignity. You do realize that all games have (in some form or another) been derived from what could be a movie plot don't you? You have yet to name a single PS3 exclusive that has a better storyline than any of the 360 titles. Until you can do that, this conversation is over.



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@jcp234
exactly, how can you argue against a game you haven't played? While I don't think it is movie quality, I at least have experience with the game to make that claim.

I'm just saying even if the game were short (which it isn't) doesn't mean it wouldn't make a good movie. So you are saying you wouldn't pay 60 dollars for a movie that is 6 hours long? How many people bought the lord of the rings trilogy or the star wars trilogy. Both series are about 6 to 8 hours long and at 20 bucks a pop per movie... I'll let you do the math.

Just don't talk bad about games you haven't played. It's one of the problems with these forums, and a problem that MikeB suffers from quite a bit. You don't want to be like MikeB do you?



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jake_the_fake1 said:
jcp234 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
jcp234 said:
MikeB said:
@ ZenfoldorVGI

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?


Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4 are IMO worthy.

Mass Effect


I played it, I thought it was overhyped (besides the technical issues). BioShock is IMO much better, but in hindsight also overhyped despite being a good game.

(For the record, when released I publically stated BioShock, Mass Effect and Lost Planet looked great judging from the trailers and said I wanted them on the PS3, in hindsight IMO all 3 were overhyped originally)

From what I've been hearing. Uncharted is short enough to be a movie. So, maybe that's what the developers were going for.

But I've never had to pay $60 for a movie.


You have been misinformed. Maybe you were thinking of Heavenly Sword, that was a bit short with some of the slick movie-like cutscenes.

6-8 hours for a videogame? 10 hour max? On the amazing Blu-Ray? and with the amazing cell? That's it?

neither Cell or blu-ray are responsible for the game being short, that was the developers choice under their budget and dead line, however, blu-rays capacity would have allowed for a much longer game to have been created if the developers had the time and money to creat all the extra content with out needing to worry to much about running out of room....the Cell, well that's just the processor that has absolutly nothing todo with the length of a game, so be careful there cuz your stepping into trolling land, and once your over you'll be snipered down and banned.

Actually, you are proving my point. Why didn't the developers take advantage of the amazing blu-ray potential? Especially, considering the game is PS3 exclusive? And your threats of being "sniped" and being "banned" do not threaten me. Just something to keep in mind in the future.

I appreciate the fact that Microsoft did not integrate HD-DVD or Blu-ray into the 360. Increased capacity means more resources/higher expectations...which translates to higher costs. It's good that Microsoft chose DVD.

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.

Right, because gamers have never had to swap discs. That's such a super amazing benefit! I'd pay a $100 or more premium just to not have to swap discs.

LOL Like, I said before...I am happy Microsoft chose the DVD media format. I really do not find blu-ray to be that compelling ar the moment.

For me personally, God of War II was too short...I am hoping the same mistake is not made twice with God of War III. Sony and supporters alike have been throwing blu-ray in everyone's face...There seems to be no reason why a Sony exclusive developer should not take advantage of it.



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

gergroy said:
@jcp234
exactly, how can you argue against a game you haven't played? While I don't think it is movie quality, I at least have experience with the game to make that claim.

I'm just saying even if the game were short (which it isn't) doesn't mean it wouldn't make a good movie. So you are saying you wouldn't pay 60 dollars for a movie that is 6 hours long? How many people bought the lord of the rings trilogy or the star wars trilogy. Both series are about 6 to 8 hours long and at 20 bucks a pop per movie... I'll let you do the math.

Just don't talk bad about games you haven't played. It's one of the problems with these forums, and a problem that MikeB suffers from quite a bit. You don't want to be like MikeB do you?

I am commenting on my friend and what I have observed on the internet. Have you ever heard of secondary sources? Trust me, I am not like MikeB. If I believe you had a point, I would agree with you. I did not say the game was good or bad, which would be based on my opinoin. I am stating the time which others have commented on completing the game, which is not an opinion.

And why would I pay for a 6 hour movie? I think 6-8 hours is rather short for a videogame. When I spoke of Uncharted being as short as a movie..I was speaking figuratively and relative to videogaming.



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

MikeB is trolling here as usual with his condescending comments about the 360. He would be better served keeping his comments to himself or at least the PS3 forums.



jake_the_fake1 said:



 

 

 

you don't seem to understand, what I'm saying is that blu-ray simply gives the capacity for very large games, it's simply gives the developer freedom to make what ever game they like with out needing to worry about if the game will fit or not on the disc, now weather or not a developer uses the whole disc or not depends on what type of game they are trying to make, the fact that it's 25GB on a single layer doesn't mean that the game has to be 25GB big, that's just stupid.

Infact it's quite obvious that certain 360 games would have benifited from a larger disc capacity, Blue dragon x3 DVD and lost odisy x4 DVDs, even halo 3 required x2 DVDs, also many devs have commented in the lack of space on DVD, such as ID with their game rage, and even the GTA folks. Now if the 360 had a larger disc capacity the same games would have been released but just one 1 disc and no comments regarding disc space would have even been made, and yet if that were the case, the developers would still have the same freedom as the PS3 developers when it comes to how much disc space they use and they'd only use what the see fit in regards to the game there making.

Wow, halo 3 required 2 dvd's?  I never realized, this whole time I've been playing with one dvd and evidently there were 2.  Who would of known... haha



MikeB said:
@ ZenfoldorVGI

lol, so PS3 exclusives are...movie level quality, in their storytelling?


Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4 are IMO worthy.

Mass Effect


I played it, I thought it was overhyped (besides the technical issues). BioShock is IMO much better, but in hindsight also overhyped despite being a good game.

If you didn't read the gamefaqs story explination, then you don't know how good the story in Bioshock actually is. Now, you can easily write that up to bad game design, but it's not. It just takes many, many playthroughs to understand what you could simply read(in a 100 page file) on gamefaqs.

I thought Bioshock was overhyped until I understood everything.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.