Do you want me to put up a vid of me playing GT5P? I can show you the lack of detail of the tracks or the slowdown that occurs quite often. The cars may look good but the overall graphical experience goes to Forza 2.

The only way GT is comparable is if you took a screenshot of the game. In motion Forza runs much smoother. Thats fiction.

Do you want me to put up a vid of me playing GT5P? I can show you the lack of detail of the tracks or the slowdown that occurs quite often. The cars may look good but the overall graphical experience goes to Forza 2.

The only way GT is comparable is if you took a screenshot of the game. In motion Forza runs much smoother. Thats a fact.

The main complain for Forza over GT for me is the lack of good wheels support.

There are not many choices for Forza. MS wheel just doesn't cut it for a sim racer.
Fanatec has comparable high quality wheels coming out for the X360 but the price is too much for a person who already own a G25. And I don't understand the reason with the limited edition crap.

GT has a big selection of wheels and the wheels really take the driving experience to a different level.
You can get the decent DFGT for $100 or you can get the superior G25 for $200+ and there are many other choices.

Driving with a controller never felt like a sim.

99% of the so-called fans on either side that tout how Forza 2 is better or GT5:P is better have no clue and have not played both games extensively.  It's as simple as that.  (In my best Yoda voice:) Lying little shits, fanboys are.

I have raced GT5:P extensively.  I have come in first on almost every event in all three classes.  I have purchased almost every car.  I have changed "assist" settings extensively.  I have played it on my DLP projector at about 80 inches diagonal as well as on my 42" 1080P Sharp Aquos.

I have done as much with Forza 2.  I've finished first in many of the events at this point (though admittedly not all of them).  I've played it on both of my screens and modified the assists as well.  I've played MANY of the cars and used many of the tuning and upgrade features.  In short, I've played the game extensively.

In the end:

GT5:P has better on-track car models.  Forza's are damn good, though.  Forza has better environments around the tracks.  Yeah, GT5:P has really beautiful stills and CGI stuff but I don't give a damn about all that.  It's a racing game.  On track is what really counts and they are very close in action -- so much so that I'd call it an overall tie unless you are just dead set on the cockpit view.  I don't care for it, though.

Both racers do a very good job of conveying the different handling characteristics of the different cars, drivetrains, horsepower, front-rear weight ratio and such.  They also do a good job of representing the different sounds.  Admittedly, GT5:P doesn't have the ability to buy upgrades as Forza does, but if you buy a supercharger or add a new exhaust to your car, you can hear the new muffler and the whine of 'charger where none existed before.  Sounds in both games are great.

Forza's game is so full of customizations in terms of handling and physics that anyone that argues that GT5:P is a better physics simulator is blind and hasn't played Forza and experimented with the extensive changes that can be made to affect a car's on-track performance.  Telemetry data for the win.

I realize that GT5:P is just a prologue so it isn't fair to compare all the extra stuff in Forza 2 like purchasing performance parts, painting, auctions, online features, and so on so I'll just leave it at that.

Here's the bottom line:  If you are a 360 fanboy and haven't played forza 2 and like racing sims, get Forza 3 (and Forza 2 if you want something cheap!).  Assuming Forza 3 improves on 2, it's going to be an damn amazing game -- PERIOD.  Forget about bashing GT5:P.  It's a good game, just like Forza 2, but I highly doubt the Full GT5 is going to be a better overall game than Forza 3 by some significant measure.  Just leave it alone.

If you are a Sony fanboy and think that GT5:P somehow smokes Forza 2, move along.  Go to the bank, take out a loan, and buy a clue.  The Forza 2 demo is good.  The game is GREAT.  Better than GT5:P when all things are considered.  When the FULL GT5 comes out, there is no doubt it will be an amazing game.  But then so will Forza 3 so, again, just leave it alone.

im floored by this.... can ANYONE put a video please because what i played is not gameplay?? thats crazy..... GT5 pro looks better thats a fact....

well i doubt those wheels are limited cause they made already several iterations of them(5th edition will be released in september/october if i remember), but yeah they are pricey - i'm not happy when i have to buy 350-500$ wheel just to have normal H-gear and clutch for console that costs 300$. well next week i will be getting DriveFX so i'm ok.

This is what is great about Achievement points.  I can see how far you have really played. You say you have played Forza 2 extensivly but you only have 50 of the 1000 gamerpoints for Forza 2.  Your only at a level 10 for gods sake!!!  You haven't even unlocked any of the really good cars!!  Seriously, your gamerscore shows about 2 hours of gameplay. 

Not to mention these points came in the last few days, so it sounds like to me you just rented the game just so you could make this thread. 

LIES LIES LIES!!!!

I never tried the Drive FX.

Does it support 900' turn? And I heard the FFB isn't really FFB.
Those are the biggest draw back from being a quality wheel.

I don't know how creditable is Fanatec. Their website says 10,000 limited edition.

I wondered who would be the first to click on my gamerscore and call me a liar, lol.  First, there are multiple accounts on my 360.  Ken800 is my only live-connected account.  I have others from local gameplay and play on them as well.  My family plays on multipile accounts.  Let's just say planning out a good gamer tag and sticking with it wasn't one of our strengths.  We ended up with multiples using just our first names to use in rock band and other multi-player games.  I'd guess I use  I am missing all sorts of achievement points from many games as they are on other accounts.  I never have nor never will be an achievement whore.  I couldn't care less about them... 

Bottom line, what you looked at is my re-visit to Forza after having put it down for so long (I started a new career) as i just mentioned a few threads above. 

Having 5 broken xbox consoles (I'm on my 6th) hasn't helped, either.

Nice try, though!