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Desroko said:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/16/daily-show-fox-knowledge/

When your viewers are less informed than those of a comedy program, you're not a news organization. You're a televised pacifier.

In the most recent version of the Poll (ie 2 years after the one you linked to) Republicans have a knowledge advantage over dems.  So would you then theorize that Reps watch the Daily show and Dems watch FNC?

In reality the poll is kinda worthless as a statistical indicator of which viewer group is smarter.  What you're actually doing is polling how engaged in the political process someone is.  For example I used to play the Settler's board game a lot and I could poll people on the street with some very easy questions about the game that they would almost certainly get wrong if they had not played before.  Not knowing doesn't make them stupid, it makes them uninterested in the game.  I'm making this point to make it perfectly clear from the go, I do realize you used the word "informed" (and so did the poll) which is what my next point addresses.

But the real problem comes from the fact that you are failing to examine the viewer retention variable at all.  The crux of the argument attempting to be made is that a program should inform its viewers over time which of course requires regular viewership.  Looking at specific shows like O'Rielly's and Rush Limbaugh's you see this in effect as their shows score very well despite the FNC (in O'Reilly's case) as a whole scoring at the nationwide average. And it shouldn't shock anyone that the network that garners the largest nationwide cable news audience is very representative of the nationwide numbers.  In effect you're finding that the channel with the most viewers is the most representative of the nation...not a surprising find by any stretch considering that this is exactly what a poll is.  But by focusing on a single show you tap into some of the viewer retention info and find that shows that have viewer retention do educate their viewers.  To properly test and put forward the hypothesis you are trying to advance there needs to be a much more thorough study then a simple poll, particularly given the simplicity of the questions which focus on surface knowledge and lack any indication of depth of knowledge focusing exclusively on breadth of knowledge.

This and other far more informed objections are why they haven't actually revisited this news program breakdown in their 5 (iirc its 5) polls on the subject since the one you linked to.  This is because it isn't a statistically valid argument given the info available.

PS - I took the quiz on their site and aced it, it's pretty damn easy stuff sadly. It would help if it was more than 12 questions now and closer to the 23 it used to be. 



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you people still don't realize this isn't fox news, huh?



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Liquidlynch13 said:
you people still don't realize this isn't fox news, huh?

Perception VS Reality - Which one do you think wins in the end?

Unfortunately perception more often than not.  Thats sort of the name of the game from both sides here.  Demonize, demean, and destroy with perception.  As Lenin said "A lie told often enough becomes the truth". This is more a tangential response to your point than a direct one though.



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During Mark Sanford's press conference they labeled him a Democrat.



People who watch Fox News seriously baffle me. Even though I live in the UK, when nothing decent is on the television here, I turn it over to Fox News just to see how bad it is.



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ironman said:
Desroko said:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/16/daily-show-fox-knowledge/

When your viewers are less informed than those of a comedy program, you're not a news organization. You're a televised pacifier.

I don't know who they asked those questions of? A bunch of the dummest people they could find I guess. Seriously, I could go and ask a bunch of old people with demnsia who the president is, and they would get it wrong, then I could throw their answers onto a spreadsheet and say that the general population has no idea who the president is...see what I did there? It's too easy to skew pole results, especially if you have a vested intetrest in it. From what I know about people who actually watch Fox, they are more knowledgeable about world events than those who watch other news networks. Generally because they are the ones also listening to talk radio, where they learn about events that the news media generally will not pick up because it doesn't go with their idealized version of the USA.

It's a random sample broken into subgroups. What you describe isn't a "pole" (sic), and it's not what Pew does.

I find it ironic that you would criticize a methodoligcally-sound study, and then talk about your personal anecodtal evidence.



Desroko said:
During Mark Sanford's press conference they labeled him a Democrat.

They also did that with Sen. Larry Craig (R) and Rep. Mark Foley (R).



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I watch it everyday as they are cover every angle plus I don't want Pravda spinoffs. People complain because the networks get angry and spoon feed the net with hate because FNC is killing them in ratings, esp primetime. See the latest Nielson report for evidence Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for June 24, 2009

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,169,000 viewers
CNN – 610,000 viewers
MSNBC –488,000 viewers
CNBC – 190,000 viewers
HLN – 286,000 viewers

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/06/25/cable-news-tv-ratings-for-wednesday-june-24/21471#more-21471



Wow, that's pretty much domination by Fox.



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outlawauron said:
Wow, that's pretty much domination by Fox.

Now you see were I am getting at.  This is pure hateful BS put on by competing and jealous networks, a la PMSNBC, CommiNN, AllBarackNetwork, and the like.  Anyone who watches FNC rarely goes back to Maddow, Matthews, and the rest of the filth spewing leftists.