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Lafiel said:
*yawn*

people are getting provocative and aggressive again and it's really annoying ... when will there be an ignore option?

@ Girl Gamer Elite )

I wonder why you jumped at ssj12 for him just using the Wii as an example where an innovation got accepted by the consumers to conter Sorikos "I have a feeling it will flop lol". I don't think he ment ,that it will sell like the Wii , but rather ,that it just won't flop.
That you completely snapped when leo-j called you names shows ,that you have to learn to relax on the forums .. I won't say anything to leo-j though , because he is just a lost case.

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do we really need "owned" posts on this forum?

 @lafiel, do we really need another daddy telling us what to do and what not on the forum?



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maybe you do , but I won't do it for you anymore - my last post directed at you , cherish it



finalsquall said:
It won't flop... I mean wizards of the coast are behind this game (magic)... This game could open the gate for other card games that are popular today. Sony has an open field to explore if this is the case... ie Yugioho etc

 Coming from someone who played magic at a fairly high level for a decent length of time I can tell you that WoTC, while the publisher of Magic, is not the creator.  That honor goes to Richard Garfield who iirc no longer makes games for the company.  And last I heard he is focusing more on computer games and not so much on card games.

 

If it turns out Garfield is behind the game it will have a lot of weight in my opinion on that alone.  The guy is a genius when it comes to developing CCGs and most don't know that Magic, while his most succesful, is not his only CCG.  And its far from his only game.  One of his best games is actually Werewolf which requires nothing more than a small slip of paper for each person playing and a pen to write on the paper.  Easily one of the most fun games you can play late at night with friends.

PS - I am not 100% sure if Werewolf is actually his game but he is the one I learned it from so I always assumed it was his creation. 



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Lafiel said:
*yawn*

people are getting provocative and aggressive again and it's really annoying ... when will there be an ignore option?

@ Girl Gamer Elite )

I wonder why you jumped at ssj12 for him just using the Wii as an example where an innovation got accepted by the consumers to conter Sorikos "I have a feeling it will flop lol". I don't think he ment ,that it will sell like the Wii , but rather ,that it just won't flop.
That you completely snapped when leo-j called you names shows ,that you have to learn to relax on the forums .. I won't say anything to leo-j though , because he is just a lost case.

@ Neos )

do we really need "owned" posts on this forum?

 

I wonder why you're telling me to "relax" when you're the one who seems to think my two modest contributions to this thread are "snapping". To be honest, it just sounds like you don't like the tune of my opinion and are trying to find a way to make this issue my problem. And of course in doing so you're defending two members who have done far worse in this thread by the merits you're trying to hold me to. I wish people would read what they're saying first before posting it.



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Lafiel said:
As always people focus on FUD ,if there is Sony involved in something, instead of informing themselves accurately (I'm looking at you twesterm because you don't seem to get how the online system works) and based on that trying to formulate some points they want to see integrated.
Alot of you guys always make it seem like there is a 1000% possibility none of the devs ever considered your worries and therefore there can't be a countermeasurement.

Contrary to what many people here seem to believe I do see no reason why Sony would make money from the cards, for the mechanics of the game have been developed by Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro and the cards will surely be designed and printed by those who have the know-how and methods to do this. I think Wizards/Hasbro wouldn't have been involved in this project ,if there wasn't a good way to profit from that for them.

I don't see this being a millionseller either , but maybe it doesn't even have to break even , for I believe it's a testrun for the big titles ,but not to evaluate ,if consumers want it or not , but rather to work out a system that is fun and manages to bring online multiplayer to card games. After it has been completed I see a good chance of the big titles (namely yu-gi-oh , Magic ,..) comming aswell no matter how successful or unsuccessful the test run was , for trading card makers have to expand their game to not suffer from being too backward like the music and film industry is at the moment (they get eaten alive by the video games industry).

Now please lynch me for I'm a blind Sony follower who will waste all his money on this game (that's not a joke).

 I understand how the online system works, I just don't see any good ways of doing it.

For registering your deck, you're either going to have to input number or just place the cards under the camera up to 9 at a time.  Hopefully it will be something like the 2nd option which won't be a huge hassle.  I actually believe it will be one at a time just because it won't want to read 9 cards and then tell you 4 of them are misplaced.

The guy in the video had a little trouble getting the card lined up correctly.  In general gameplay, that might not be as annoying but it can get annoying when just registering 30 cards and nothing else. 

Like I said, you're always going to modifying your deck because nobody gets it right the first time.  You're likely to modify your deck between each match because you get some brilliant idea between each match. If not done well, this process could get very tedious.

I'm just simply wondering how they show you what card to draw.  No matter what this is going to take people a long time to find the card they want and you're going to have to have a wait at the beginning of every game, turn, and from what it looked like on the video, even attacks and spells that make you draw cards.  I knew people that lived and breathed Magic but they still took forever to search through their deck.

I'm still wondering how they're going to combat printing cards.  Each card can have a unique ID that the eye can read in, but I have the funny feeling sites will pop up that supply those unique ID's.



Engelos said:
twesterm said:

I'm actually still confused on when it tells you to "draw" your card. It didn't show up anywhere in that video other than just telling the player to draw (or search being the better term).

-edit-
The more I think about it, yeah, I pretty much agree with Fuzz on this.

1) You have to buy an extra accessory.
2) You have to buy the cards.
3) Registering every card in your deck one by one will suck.
4) Modifying your deck is going to be just as annoying (because you will modify the deck after most games).
5) There's no point to the cards. None at all. Furthermore, you have to line up the cards just right to get them read.
6) You can still print your own cards.
7) There's no depth to the game. This might be good for people that don't do CCG's (you know, the people that this game isn't marketed towards) but anyone who has even played Pokemon will see an extremely shallow game.
8) In any tic tac toe type of game, the player who goes first has an extreme advantage.
9) Those animations for drawing, playing a card, summoning, getting mana, casting a spell, attacking, defending, and everything else better be skippable (which they won't because it's two player across distance). They will be cool for the first few games but they will get old very quickly.


1 - there like 10 wii accesories, PS2 eye games sold well enough.
2 - No shiet, you have to buy cards for a dunn dunn dun a card game.
3 - i guess playing agianst cheeters is more fun.
4 - your opinion, based on nothing.
5 - lIts a card game, why cant you understand that?
6 - WTF
7 - those that played have said he opposite but you would know better, right.
8 - lol
9 - yahh counting the stats your self would be much more fun.


I was going to dignify this with a response but you're really not worth it.

twesterm said:
Engelos said:
twesterm said:

I'm actually still confused on when it tells you to "draw" your card. It didn't show up anywhere in that video other than just telling the player to draw (or search being the better term).

-edit-
The more I think about it, yeah, I pretty much agree with Fuzz on this.

1) You have to buy an extra accessory.
2) You have to buy the cards.
3) Registering every card in your deck one by one will suck.
4) Modifying your deck is going to be just as annoying (because you will modify the deck after most games).
5) There's no point to the cards. None at all. Furthermore, you have to line up the cards just right to get them read.
6) You can still print your own cards.
7) There's no depth to the game. This might be good for people that don't do CCG's (you know, the people that this game isn't marketed towards) but anyone who has even played Pokemon will see an extremely shallow game.
8) In any tic tac toe type of game, the player who goes first has an extreme advantage.
9) Those animations for drawing, playing a card, summoning, getting mana, casting a spell, attacking, defending, and everything else better be skippable (which they won't because it's two player across distance). They will be cool for the first few games but they will get old very quickly.


1 - there like 10 wii accesories, PS2 eye games sold well enough.
2 - No shiet, you have to buy cards for a dunn dunn dun a card game.
3 - i guess playing agianst cheeters is more fun.
4 - your opinion, based on nothing.
5 - lIts a card game, why cant you understand that?
6 - WTF
7 - those that played have said he opposite but you would know better, right.
8 - lol
9 - yahh counting the stats your self would be much more fun.


I was going to dignify this with a response but you're really not worth it.

 no, Engelos is right. Sorry but your way off with your opinions. Its a card game, you have to spend money on cards, I have over 2 grand worth of Yu-Gi-Oh cards and I know about 80 people at my old high school that still buy tons of cards and have more then me. They are all looking forward to Eye of Judgment because its similar to the battling in the anime. To have real holographic tech like in the anime we would need several million dollars to buy a 2D holo-projector. Thats not cheap. The way the cards are made it would be really hard to print your own cards as they all have magnetic strips in them for the PSEye to read. Yes for the face to face none-PSEye gameplay you can cheat and have fake cards but for battling someone in Japan from America you need the PSEye and fake cards wont work. As for gameplay have you even seen it being played? There is some interesting battling in it because theres spell cards and battling so capturing 5 squares wont be as easy as 5th turn you win. 

Please check your facts before you post, you make yourself look stupid.

Also you might want to look up what a CCG and TCG is because you dont seem to know what those are since Pokemon is a TCG and your implying that its a CCG.



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I love the concept of the game, and it seems pretty enjoyable. At $69.99 with the ps eye is a descent price, but I dont see it getting somewhere like pokemon or yugioh did. I think it will flop.



 

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@ Girl Gamer Elite )

I will explain my off-topic complaints to you in a private message :)

So to your comments which have to do with the topic:

- the first eye toy showed,that a completely optional and quite expensive peripheral can very well be really successful , although you may argue ,that the next generation might not bring enough advantages to come close to the success of it's predecessor

- I wonder what you and others here would consider to be a "flop" .. if anything below Halo 3 first day sales is a "flop" it will "flop" for sure :) , but if it's whether or not it shows the system is (1.) practicable ,(2.) fun and (3.) financially sensible even with a completely new game (no established franchise) ,I think this may very well be a "success" ... the people who created this aren't dumb enough to use an unreasonable amount of budget , so I think it can break even with just ~100k of worldwide sales ,which are definately in range even with small userbase of 4.6-4.8 million

- it's always said ,that the PS3 userbase only plays hardcore games , but in my opinion even "hardcore users" play other games and I don't see why this may not be one of those , although as a former card gamer with over 1500 Magic Cards I have to add ,that I think these kind of card games are pretty "hardcore" aswell

In my opinion it's a shame ,that overall there is so much of a negative attitude in your and ofcourse in many of the other comments to this topic - this innovative concept doesn't derserve that much distrust before it's even released , especially not from the open minded and innovation loving nintendo community.