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damkira said:
Absolutely disgusting... I was afraid that Obama's election would bring all these crazies out.

Thankfully (at least in the US) Liberal organizations don't resort to terrorism.

ELF is a left-wing terrorist organization.

I wonder though, how many right-wing organizations exist that are actually defined as a terrorist organization? Most of what we see is one-off crazies doing something stupid, as opposed to organized groups committing acts of terrorism.



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How many people has ELF killed again? What, none? Wow - where's the comparison again? If you'd said the Weather Underground you'd be several decades too late, but at least it wouldn't be an idiotic argument.

Operation Rescue helped Roeder stalk Dr. Tiller. Several of their members, including Roeder's contact, have been suspected or convicted of bombings, assaults, vandalism, threats, etc.

Got any more?



Desroko said:
How many people has ELF killed again? What, none? Wow - where's the comparison again? If you'd said the Weather Underground you'd be several decades too late, but at least it wouldn't be an idiotic argument.

Operation Rescue helped Roeder stalk Dr. Tiller. Several of their members, including Roeder's contact, have been suspected or convicted of bombings, assaults, vandalism, threats, etc.

Got any more?

I don't think the Weather Underground actually ever successfully killed anyone, although they did try (as opposed to the ELF)..

 

You'll find that most terrorist organizations across the world are quite reactionary.. I mean, look at al Queda.. its difficult to get more right-wing than that.

 



damkira said:Thankfully (at least in the US) Liberal organizations don't resort to terrorism.

That is a specious statement. Left-wing groups in the US resorted to terrorism throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s when left-wing terrorism was at its peak. Fortunately, law enforcement organizations were able to disrupt many of the groups. Also, while it is true that the ELF/ALF have not hitherto killed anyone, they have committed other numerous terrorist acts, such as arson and vandalism. The FBI estimates that both organizations have caused over $200 million in property damage. That is a significant amount of damage. 



*cough*
I guess you forgot to include this in your analysis? typical Double standard, lol.
(it was in the article!)

"A 23-year-old Army private, William Andrew Long, was shot and killed outside a recruiting office this month in Arkansas and a fellow soldier was wounded. The suspect, a Muslim convert, has said he considers the killing justified because of the U.S. military presence in the Middle East."

But please, keep trying to link all of these atrocities together. Sickening. Shit happens on both sides of the fence, no?

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apparently a muslim did kill a military private...... No thread about that. DOUBLE FUCKING STANDARD!!!!!! So don't go bitching.



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If you take the most emotionally unstable 1% of the most politically marginalized 1% of society you have a collection of people who have the potential to do unthinkable acts for beliefs which are alien to most people in mainstream society. It sounds like a tiny collection of people, but in North America there are (roughly) 30,000 people who would fit into this grouping and they exist (in proportionate numbers) for all political ideologies we have identified (and some we really haven't).

The primary difference between "Right Wing" extremists and others who commit acts like these is how the media (and others) respond to it. When a person holds an ideology which could potentially be labeled as "Right Wing" the label is attached to the individual and the act and it is repeated over and over again, when the act is performed by another group the media generally portrays the incident as the act of an unbalanced individual.



Shorter HappySqurriel:

"Yeah, he's a crazy right-winger, but it's unfair to talk about it."

Violent right-wingers, white supremacists and pro-lifers exist, if you haven't noticed yet. But mentioning them is offensive to you?

And your whining is incorrect, on top of everything else: Nobody mentions Bill Ayers without noting that he was a Weatherman, for example. Mumia Abu-Jamal was a Black Panther. Mrstickball is bizarrely obsessed with a group that has killed fewer people than the guy you claim, wrongly, to be a lone nut.



my grandmother was a holocaust survivor. she spent 3 years(from age 13-16) in dachau, she was jewish and a political prisoner(he father worked for the us government). she was also a christian, "right wing", "pro-lifer"; and for some of you to lump them all together as crazies who hate everyone who has an opposing view, really ticks me off to no end. and some of you dont seam to have enough common scene to realize that some people are just plain evil no matter who they "claim" affiliation with.



Who's lumping? Did you even read?

Are you and HappySqurriel so fucking sensitive that merely pointing out that right-wing terrorists exists is offensive? Is this proposition too indecent for your delicate sensibilities? I don't think anyone here shares the views or behavior of these assholes, but it's deeply weird that you all assume that right-wingers in general are being attacked. Get over yourselves.



Desroko said:
Who's lumping? Did you even read?

Are you and HappySqurriel so fucking sensitive that merely pointing out that right-wing terrorists exists is offensive? Is this proposition too indecent for your delicate sensibilities? I don't think anyone here shares the views or behavior of these assholes, but it's deeply weird that you all assume that right-wingers in general are being attacked. Get over yourselves.


You completely missed the point of what I was saying ...

If you notice most of the media never refers to Bill Ayers as being a "Radically Left Wing" attempted-terrorist, you only ever hear him referenced as a member of the Weatherman. You also never hear Barack Obama, Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi as being refered to as being "Radically Left Wing" by the media even though the label is as accurate as the "Radically Right Wing" that they have used to refer to many members of the Republican party.

In other words ... There would be nothing wrong with labeling this man as being a member of a radical-racist group (akin to how Bill Ayers is treated), or even labeling him as "Radically Right Wing", if the media used proper labels like "Conservative Republican" to reference conservative Republicans.

 

You seem to be old enough to be at a point in your life where you should really start looking at multiple viewpoints of the news and start understanding how things are carefully edited and words are carefully chosen in order to promote an opinion on a story. While Fox News probably is very conservative (I don't know, don't have access to it in Canada) CNN and MSNBC bombard you with an insane slant on most stories to promote their viewpoint for their benefit; its not that uncommon for these stations to stack a "Panel of Experts" with 3 or 4 people who have direct ties to the Democrat party, without ever disclosing have an interest in spinning the story for their own gains.