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Edge is the soul reason Bioshock isn't in the top 10 all time on Gamerankings.com. Out of 76 reviews they are the ONLY site/mag that gave it under a 90% score. Edge sicken me.

Imagine you're the person who did that review and you look at the 75 other reviews. It goes beyond just being somebody's opinion on a game and simply defies the laws of proper logic.

Those poser reviewers should take a step back and realize they aren't getting anymore recognition as a hardcore reviewing source simply because they underscore the majority of games big and small. Play Magazine gives out a good score to almost any game, craptacular or otherwise. Edge has now simply become the polar opposite of what Play Magazine is.



Completed XBLA: 16 / 32
Completed Retail: 17 / 64
GS Completion %: 82.63%
 
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BrainBoxLtd said:
shams said:

(if multiplayer is so important - how did SM64, Zelda, Gran Turismo all get a 10?)

 


I'm going to take a wild guess and say thier reviewing process and probably thier reviewers as well were different 9 years ago. =P

I decided to push my theory a little further and observed FFT: War of Lions getting a 9 and a Singstar (PS3) getting an 8. Since I'm not overly familar with either one, took a quick peak at Wikipedia. And saw a couple of sentances that caught my attention for both. For FFT: Lions I found this.

"Another development added to the game is a wireless multiplayer mode, both for co-op and versus play."

And for Singstar. (PS3)

My SingStar Online is the online component of SingStar. The idea for My SingStar Online was inspired by people uploading photos and videos of SingStar parties to websites such as Flickr and YouTube.

All purely circumstanal evidence of course, but it does feel like that have a bias for multiplayer and a bias against games without it. Correct me if I’m wrong but, Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 (7), Eternal Sonata (7), and Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations (6) are all pure single player experiences correct?

From what I’ve seen, Edge’s harsh reviews (as of current) seem to only apply to single player games for the most part.




 I think your right for the current generation there is definitly a bias toward online games. I'm wondering if Bioshock and Metroid got points taken off automatically for this. Or if they just assumed without online the game better have split screen multiplayer or at least a 40 hour singl player game or something. 



You have to wonder if there is a FirstPerson-games must have multiplayer mentality going around



Is just another review source. Again is alot about taste and if your in line with how edge rates game then you can look forward to the reviews else if they keep on being different from your experience not nessarly other review sites then don't go by then. I just don't understand why people get up in arms about reviews when it is just another persons opinion. Only reason hwy some games get perfect scores ie because of ther overral package in terms of entertainment which is why I think halo 3 gets perfect scores as well as bioshock and many of the other perfect score games. Basically there is no such thing as a perfect game as you will ALWAYS find someone who didn't like something. Perfects scores just say to me at least that the game is worth the $60 price tag.



""""libellule have you played all these games extensively. I would bet you haven't seeing as PGR 4 is not even out yet. Ignoring your bias it is nice to see any mag review games across the spectrum. There are far too many sources that set their standards too low. """

==> like everybody I have seen screenshot and video
And like everybody I dont have played to the game
but I higly doubt any game in the world at 10/10 and particularly a arcade racing game when all the eyes are turned on GT5 or Forza2 for their realistic gameplay.

"""""Halo 3 getting a perfect 10 was highly likely. Not due to some insane bias. The series has a exceptional level of replay, solid controls, and pulls off multiple play scenarios perfectly. You rarely find a game that has so much variation in play style either. You get great FPS action, and ground vehicular combat, and great aerial combat. The game simply does so much so very well.""""

==> Halo has many flow the some americans/review forget to mention :
- level where you have to perform and then go back to your initial point
+ level design similar to Halo1&2 : "hey I have already play to this game before !"
+ campaign too short (even with their obvious trick to improve the game lenght)
+ co-op too easy (no more enemy)
+ poor predicted scenari
= rushed no-innovative campaign

and so many guys that put 10/10 !

sure no biais lol ...

I understand Bioshock is huge, but Halo3 ....

Look THE best (for me) UK Halo3 review so far :

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/technology/circuits/27games.html?ref=circuits

NEw YORK TIMES :

For those who have played Halo and Halo 2, the wildly popular shooter games, I can review Halo 3 in one sentence.

Halo 3 is Halo 2 with somewhat better graphics.

That’s all you really need to know. If you loved Halo 2, you will feel just the same about Halo 3. If you played Halo 2 and couldn’t figure out what all the fuss was about, Halo 3 is not the revelatory experience that will change your view of the series forever.


So you could simply search through old issues of The New York Times for my review of Halo 2 and learn almost everything you need to know about the game, but rather than put you to that trouble, allow me to share with you my experience.

If you have never played any version of Halo, expect to have precious little idea of what is going on as Halo 3 begins. The game makes almost no effort to explain that humanity is battling a war against two enemies. One, the Flood, is a mindless, voracious collection of creepy crawlies that will attack anything that moves. The other evil is the Covenant, an order of alien religious zealots eager to set off an ancient device intended to wipe out the Flood and all other life in the universe. Halo 3 is the final game in the Halo trilogy that has followed protagonist Master Chief’s valiant efforts to save us all.

Put more simply, the story of Halo 3 is the same as that of Halo 2 and the original Halo: a lot of things get in your way and you kill them.

That doesn’t seem to have hurt sales. Microsoft said yesterday that its Halo 3 had $170 million in sales on its first day, easily surpassing its predecessor, Halo 2 in 2004, which racked up $125 million in the first day.

The game’s pleasures lie in the things you kill and how you do it. Enemies are engagingly varied, ranging from small, easily frightened creatures that will shriek and run away if things start going badly, to monstrous walking tanks. Weapons include shotguns, sniper rifles, flame throwers and a giant sledgehammer that slices most monsters in half with a single blow if you can just get close enough.

Action is fast and furious, with enemies coming from all directions. The game is a ballistic blur as you gun down aliens, tossing away an empty sniper rifle to scoop up a pistol or, if you’re lucky, a missile launcher.

You are accompanied by the Arbiter, an alien who switched sides. (The character formed a central part of Halo 2’s story but now seems rather extraneous.) If you play in Halo 3’s excellent co-op mode, in which multiple gamers play the single-player campaign as a team, the Arbiter is player-controlled.

Often the two of you are joined by space marines, tough soldiers who are effective partners. Their side comments during battles can be quite entertaining, as when a soldier marks the death of a particularly savage monster by saying, “That guy was really freaking me out; I’m glad he’s dead.” At times foot soldiering gives way to battles in tanks, hovercrafts or armed vehicles. I quite enjoyed driving over to an enemy anti-aircraft tank, jumping out, climbing up its side with a grenade and jumping off just as the tank exploded.

The Halo games have always had a great sense of scale, and some of the most notable visual moments are those in which dozens of monsters are running and firing over vast, picturesque landscapes. The last sequence is an especially striking example of vast vistas, big explosions and lots of enemies. Still, the game never achieves the visual heights of top Xbox 360 games like BioShock and Gears of War.

For all its grand panoramas and its galaxywide narrative, Halo 3’s plot feels like a bit of a throwaway, a rather short adventure with a predictable story and dialogue that is sometimes as hokey as something from an old John Wayne war movie. And despite adding special equipment like blinding flares and portable shields, the game is simply a tweaked version of the previous chapter. Halo 3’s game play is too firmly rooted in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” school of design.

But then, single-player missions are not what has kept the Halo series at the top of the heap for all these years. What keeps fans playing the games obsessively, day after day, week after week, year after year, is online multiplayer games.

Halo 3 can be fantastically exciting when you play against other gamers in well-designed multiplayer scenarios stocked with exotic weapons and riddled with passageways that result in an unseen player sneaking up to shoot you in the back just as you toss a grenade at your own quarry.

Halo 3’s multiplayer abilities make a far more persuasive argument for purchase than its single-player campaign. Fans will have a whole new set of scenes to engage in frenetic battles, jumping in and out of tanks, leaping from a precipice to rain down fire from above or grabbing special items that offer temporary bonuses like near invisibility. Even the special equipment, which feels somewhat tacked on in the single-player game, proves incredibly useful in multiplayer mode. Those flash bombs can really turn a battle around.

I have always been more a fan of single-player games than multiplayer games, so when I say I found Halo 3’s multiplayer more exciting than its single player, it is both a tribute to the beautifully designed multiplayer experience and a critique of the fun, but somewhat forgettable, single-player game.

It is difficult to say that one likes, but does not love, a Halo game. Halo fans are so worshipful of the series that anything short of drooling admiration is seen as something akin to blasphemy. One is expected to love Halo games the way one is expected to love Harry Potter, “American Idol,” Tom Hanks, the Beatles and chocolate (some of which I love, some of which I don’t).

Yet, while Halo 3 is a slickly produced, exciting, well-made shooter, I wouldn’t class it as one of those creations that rival the importance of bendable straws or casual Fridays. And saying that could well result in a few angry letters.

It doesn’t really matter what reviewers say, though. Halo 3 is not just a game: it is a phenomenon fueled by obsessed fans, slick advertising and excessive press coverage (of which I find myself a part).

But even though the hoopla Microsoft has generated around this game is, in a way, a greater achievement than the game itself, it cannot be denied that there are people who will take greater pleasure in this game than in any other entertainment this year.

And what will make them happy, what will make their days joyful and give them long, crazed nights of ecstatic bliss, what will make the purchase of Halo 3 the best thing they could possible do with their money, is this one thrilling fact: Halo 3 is Halo 2 with somewhat better graphics!



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I am not a Halo fan at all... didn't really like 1 or 2. Thought they were alright but not worthy of the hype. I bought Halo 3 and love it... I personally don't think its a 10 either but its a great game.

but seriously Libellule... your comparing a gaming magazines review to New York times... give me a break!



@ libellule: You totally lost me at "Halo 3 is Halo 2 with somewhat better graphics." Thats just a cheap way of saying "I don´t like it." Was is supposed to be a completely different game ??? It´s a series for crying out loud, everyone loves FF, for me thats the same game with better graphics in two dozen variations, but fact is I just don´t like FF so I´m honest about it instead of complaining about it over and over agoin, every video game ever made is Pong with somewhat better graphics (if you really whant to be that symplistic about things... and I don´t). If you don´t like it leave it alone, it´s not getting such great scores because of hype 



 

 

 

Alot said in the Times is pretty true. Although I think comparing the graphics to games like Gears and Bioshock is kind of like apples to oranges. Those two games are all about small confined scenerios yeah everything up close in those games look better. but they both entirely take place in up close scenarios. I don't believe in either of those games you'll be facing dozens of enemies in a massive battlefield with ships flying around and vehicles driving all around. Halo's beauty is in it's epic scope. So yeah you tend to anaylze textures on faces up close and say, "this don't look that great!" but that undermines the graphics in those open vast crazy sequences. that have great framerates. Secondly I'm tired of people saying it only look a little better, then Halo 2, those people have to replay halo 2, I think it looks plenty better. Of course the better graphics get the harder it is to notice, but there is alot more going on here.

But in all there isn't much different, and I think that's because of the fans. You can pop in 20 new online modes of play, even look at the forge and theater modes, and I still think most people will only play deathmatch. I already picked a favorite board and don't feel like even trying all the rest. It's seems like these type of games thrive on familiarity. same style, weapons, enemies, and such so you are getting alot of the same. I remember my friends were like that even back in the day, with goldeneye, we'd play same mode on temple, for hours. So variety is nice, but a well designed board that will be replayed 100s of times is more important.



MP 3 @ 7 is a joke.



Heeeeyyyy!!!! <Snap>

"""@ libellule: You totally lost me at "Halo 3 is Halo 2 with somewhat better graphics."""

==> it is not me that saied this ...

""""Thats just a cheap way of saying "I don´t like it." Was is supposed to be a completely different game ??? It´s a series for crying out loud, everyone loves FF, for me thats the same game with better graphics in two dozen variations, but fact is I just don´t like FF so I´m honest about it instead of complaining about it over and over agoin"""

==> i m happy for you.
but this is not about game stlye that you like or not.
I never stated I dont like Halo.
I m sure I will enjoy it (im ok with FPS)
it is just that people are putting too high score for a game that doesn't deserve to get a so high score.
It is like, in some review, there are many fanboy that are trying to push their console and their big Halo3 weapon saying it is perfect : 10/10.
Are they affraid that nobody care of this game outside of Halo's fan ?
I believe yes.
It is like Gamespot that decided to put a article to push "their" game and counter the "Halo2.5 gfx" :

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6179901/index.html

just the introduction :

"Sometimes it can be easy to forget that the original Halo and its sequel Halo 2 both came out on the same console, the original Xbox. The Bungie development team was able to use its experience with the platform to make Halo 2's graphics superior to the original even though both games were designed for the same console. The graphics leap from Halo to Halo 2 was impressive, but it also raised our expectations for Halo 3. If Bungie could make Halo 2 look that good on the Xbox, just imagine what Halo is going to look like on the Xbox 360! "

an good demonstration of damage control and Microsoft biais !


""""" every video game ever made is Pong with somewhat better graphics (if you really whant to be that symplistic about things... and I don´t). If you don´t like it leave it alone, it´s not getting such great scores because of hype.""""

==> ofc it is !!!!

http://www.jeuxvideo.com
At least, a french review put 17/20 with a good unbiased review clearly showing what was good or bad.
(if you dont have Xboxlive : 14/20)

to compare with others games :

HeavenlySword : 14/20
Warhawk : 15/20
Bioshock 19/20



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