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seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?



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This thread just go retarded.



seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
salaminizer said:

why are you so mad about it? haha I mean, I understand that the only way you can get new content is by buying a full game (or paid DLC, which Valve is not really fond of), but believe it or not, there are many people that bought L4D with the promise of new stuff (free or not, including the SDK) given Valve's and TF2 history, and are obviously mad that it didn't happen.

obviously right now it won't change anything for console players and I doubt it will change for PC gamers too (I believe that the best thing that might come of this is some sort of discount when it's out), the game is already priced and I guess they have a lot of stuff already done, so please, you may as well stop acting like a jerk ("fuck off and get a life"?)

I'm mad because if I know one thing about Valve its that it values its fans, and I want to be playing this game come christmas.

Valve never even said they would stop supporting the original, for all people know there is stuff coming out in the next 5 months. Or new DLC for L4D2 is compatible with 1.

 

Try not insulting people because you won't last long.

Err... irony? He wasn't really insulting you, he was just saying the truth about you and you couldn't handle that.

I don't know anyone that would say "fuck off and get a life" and not be consider a jerk.

I wasn't insulting anybody .. and yes that is an insult. Have you got a problem with me or something Akvod?

So wait a second, let's clear this up.

"Fuck off and get a life" is NOT an insult?

Ok then seece, fuck off and get a life.

You're using it in a completly different context. I'm not directly insulting anybody, I'm simply saying I wish they would stop with this stupid boycott.

So will you tell me, in what possible context, other than the one you've used in the OP, is "fuck off and get a life" NOT insulting?

As for your OP: "Seriously wish these people would fuck off and get a life, if Valve listen to these people and this game gets changed in any way shape or form I'll be pissed."

Saying "fuck off and get a life" to "these people" vs. a specific person is both still rude and bad behavior, at least that's how my parents, elders, teachers, and friends taught me. I'll never say "fuck off and get a life" to someone I want to be friends with (or maintain my friendship with), and I'll rather say it to people who I don't like, and frankly, are jerks in the first place.

Look I don't really care what you think about the matter, it wasn't meant as an insult. Me directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You're just arguing for the sake of it ... honestly ..

wouble be?

And what do you mean I'm arguing for the sake of it (what's it)? Do you mean I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing? Since when has arguing been fun?

Yes what don't you understand?

ugh .. you have nearly a 1000 posts, you should know by now people on this site argue for no reason whatsoever.

I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post...

 



Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?

I don't know what system they would use. Delayed DLC for L4D fans, L4D2 isn't going to be a complete carbon copy of L4D, there is evena  complete new AI. The incentive is a brand new game.

"I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post..."

 

I read back my sentance and its how it should be.



 

seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?

I don't know what system they would use. Delayed DLC for L4D fans, L4D2 isn't going to be a complete carbon copy of L4D, there is evena  complete new AI. The incentive is a brand new game.

"I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post..."

 

I read back my sentance and its how it should be.

No, the crux of the hardcore fan's argument was that Valve has spent time developing a new game, instead of making DLC for L4D. And what would be the purpose of buying and playing L4D2 if there's going to be DLC, when there's a new game out? And if they instead, refuse to buy the new game, isn't it back to square one (boycotting the game)?

Both ways there little incentive to buy either games... The first one little DLC, and when the new game comes out, there'll be new DLC for the old one? And if there's no DLC for the old game, then why would you trust/support a company who will release an incomplete game?

And I think that the whole hardcore rage goes beyond L4D, but goes to the root of the PC vs Console gamer mistrust and backlash for every PC centric developer that moves on to the console (Bethesda for e.g. for how Deus Ex 2 came out when it was made for the Xbox in mind, instead of the PC [God, Deus Ex was awesome...])

 

Look I don't really care what you think about the matter, it wasn't meant as an insult. Me directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You're just arguing for the sake of it ... honestly ..

I still don't understand your post, instead of saying that it made sense to you, can you explain it to me? You directly saying "fuck off and geta life" to someone would be... what?



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Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?

I don't know what system they would use. Delayed DLC for L4D fans, L4D2 isn't going to be a complete carbon copy of L4D, there is evena  complete new AI. The incentive is a brand new game.

"I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post..."

 

I read back my sentance and its how it should be.

No, the crux of the hardcore fan's argument was that Valve has spent time developing a new game, instead of making DLC for L4D. And what would be the purpose of buying and playing L4D2 if there's going to be DLC, when there's a new game out? And if they instead, refuse to buy the new game, isn't it back to square one (boycotting the game)?

Both ways there little incentive to buy either games... The first one little DLC, and when the new game comes out, there'll be new DLC for the old one? And if there's no DLC for the old game, then why would you trust/support a company who will release an incomplete game?

And I think that the whole hardcore rage goes beyond L4D, but goes to the root of the PC vs Console gamer mistrust and backlash for every PC centric developer that moves on to the console (Bethesda for e.g. for how Deus Ex 2 came out when it was made for the Xbox in mind, instead of the PC [God, Deus Ex was awesome...])

We don't know how much of Valves team have been working on L4D2, obviously the DLC for L4D1 was being made alongside L4D2, its absurd for Valve fans to want valve to spend a year doing free DLC.



 

seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?

I don't know what system they would use. Delayed DLC for L4D fans, L4D2 isn't going to be a complete carbon copy of L4D, there is evena  complete new AI. The incentive is a brand new game.

"I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post..."

 

I read back my sentance and its how it should be.

No, the crux of the hardcore fan's argument was that Valve has spent time developing a new game, instead of making DLC for L4D. And what would be the purpose of buying and playing L4D2 if there's going to be DLC, when there's a new game out? And if they instead, refuse to buy the new game, isn't it back to square one (boycotting the game)?

Both ways there little incentive to buy either games... The first one little DLC, and when the new game comes out, there'll be new DLC for the old one? And if there's no DLC for the old game, then why would you trust/support a company who will release an incomplete game?

And I think that the whole hardcore rage goes beyond L4D, but goes to the root of the PC vs Console gamer mistrust and backlash for every PC centric developer that moves on to the console (Bethesda for e.g. for how Deus Ex 2 came out when it was made for the Xbox in mind, instead of the PC [God, Deus Ex was awesome...])

We don't know how much of Valves team have been working on L4D2, obviously the DLC for L4D1 was being made alongside L4D2, its absurd for Valve fans to want valve to spend a year doing free DLC.

But if if the free DLC and L4D2 came out at the same time, wouldn't it kill any incentive to buy L4D2? Isn't the whole fear that it's unrealistic for Valve to do that, because they're now only out for the money (according to the hardcore fans)? And if the DLC doesn't come out, wouldn't that also support their argument that Valve went back on their word?

I don't think Valve fans were expecting Valve to spend an entire year dedicated entirely soley to DLC, but I think they were expecting more regular DLC updates, during the life span of the first game.



Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?

I don't know what system they would use. Delayed DLC for L4D fans, L4D2 isn't going to be a complete carbon copy of L4D, there is evena  complete new AI. The incentive is a brand new game.

"I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post..."

 

I read back my sentance and its how it should be.

No, the crux of the hardcore fan's argument was that Valve has spent time developing a new game, instead of making DLC for L4D. And what would be the purpose of buying and playing L4D2 if there's going to be DLC, when there's a new game out? And if they instead, refuse to buy the new game, isn't it back to square one (boycotting the game)?

Both ways there little incentive to buy either games... The first one little DLC, and when the new game comes out, there'll be new DLC for the old one? And if there's no DLC for the old game, then why would you trust/support a company who will release an incomplete game?

And I think that the whole hardcore rage goes beyond L4D, but goes to the root of the PC vs Console gamer mistrust and backlash for every PC centric developer that moves on to the console (Bethesda for e.g. for how Deus Ex 2 came out when it was made for the Xbox in mind, instead of the PC [God, Deus Ex was awesome...])

We don't know how much of Valves team have been working on L4D2, obviously the DLC for L4D1 was being made alongside L4D2, its absurd for Valve fans to want valve to spend a year doing free DLC.

But if if the free DLC and L4D2 came out at the same time, wouldn't it kill any incentive to buy L4D2? Isn't the whole fear that it's unrealistic for Valve to do that, because they're now only out for the money (according to the hardcore fans)? And if the DLC doesn't come out, wouldn't that also support their argument that Valve went back on their word?

I don't think Valve fans were expecting Valve to spend an entire year dedicated entirely soley to DLC, but I think they were expecting more regular DLC updates, during the life span of the first game.

Like I said, Left 4 Dead 2 is a completely new game, new characters and New AI, that wouldn't have worked for DLC for L4D. The incentive is a an entirely new game. So yes they can still bring out free DLC for L4D at the same time ...



 

seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?

I don't know what system they would use. Delayed DLC for L4D fans, L4D2 isn't going to be a complete carbon copy of L4D, there is evena  complete new AI. The incentive is a brand new game.

"I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post..."

 

I read back my sentance and its how it should be.

No, the crux of the hardcore fan's argument was that Valve has spent time developing a new game, instead of making DLC for L4D. And what would be the purpose of buying and playing L4D2 if there's going to be DLC, when there's a new game out? And if they instead, refuse to buy the new game, isn't it back to square one (boycotting the game)?

Both ways there little incentive to buy either games... The first one little DLC, and when the new game comes out, there'll be new DLC for the old one? And if there's no DLC for the old game, then why would you trust/support a company who will release an incomplete game?

And I think that the whole hardcore rage goes beyond L4D, but goes to the root of the PC vs Console gamer mistrust and backlash for every PC centric developer that moves on to the console (Bethesda for e.g. for how Deus Ex 2 came out when it was made for the Xbox in mind, instead of the PC [God, Deus Ex was awesome...])

We don't know how much of Valves team have been working on L4D2, obviously the DLC for L4D1 was being made alongside L4D2, its absurd for Valve fans to want valve to spend a year doing free DLC.

But if if the free DLC and L4D2 came out at the same time, wouldn't it kill any incentive to buy L4D2? Isn't the whole fear that it's unrealistic for Valve to do that, because they're now only out for the money (according to the hardcore fans)? And if the DLC doesn't come out, wouldn't that also support their argument that Valve went back on their word?

I don't think Valve fans were expecting Valve to spend an entire year dedicated entirely soley to DLC, but I think they were expecting more regular DLC updates, during the life span of the first game.

Like I said, Left 4 Dead 2 is a completely new game, new characters and New AI, that wouldn't have worked for DLC for L4D. The incentive is a an entirely new game. So yes they can still bring out free DLC for L4D at the same time ...

Ok, I understand.



seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
Akvod said:
seece said:
whatever said:
Dude, you need to get a life. If a company doesn't deliver on its promises, then it should be held accountable.

Grow up, who said Valve isn't delivering its promises?

I never played, L4D, nor buy Valve games, but from that fan video, and what I heard from Adam Sessler (I think), it seems like Valve has yet to deliver on their promise and seems to have no reason to do so with L4D2 coming out.

Since I'm only hearing one side of the argument, especially after watching an potentially biased video, will you please give me Valve's side of the story seece?

I don't have "Valves side of the story" I'm not jumping to any conclusions, Valve could completly stop support for L4D. I don't think they will. I think they can continue support for the 2. Say they bring out a brand new mode for L4D2, how hard would it be to include that mode as DLC for free to L4D users?

I agree with you that it's too early to say if Valve will completely stop support for L4D2. However, I thinkt he hardcore fan's fears are that because L4D2 seems, to them, an attempt to get some cheap money, why will they give content from L4D2 to L4D? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of buying L4D2 and reduce their profits (which hardcore fans believe is now their utmost main concern) if there's no real incentive to buy L4D2? While they could only give some things from L4D2 and leave the rest to be exclusive for the sequel, wouldn't that mean a good portion of L4D2 will essentially be in L4D1? Or on the converse, if there isn't so much content on L4D2 coming to L4D, wouldn't that give credence to the hard core fan's argument that Valve isn't delivering on their promises of DLC and added content (or more specificly, a lot of it?)

And isn't the crux of the hard core fan's logic and outrage is why L4D2 is necessary and why Valve has been spending so much time on developing L4D2, instead of using that time to make the promised content for L4D?

I don't know what system they would use. Delayed DLC for L4D fans, L4D2 isn't going to be a complete carbon copy of L4D, there is evena  complete new AI. The incentive is a brand new game.

"I don't understand what someone directly saying "fuck off and get a life" to someone would be. You clearly didn't finish your statement. You should take time to re-read your posts and not rush them, or at least clarify it via edit or a subsequent post..."

 

I read back my sentance and its how it should be.

No, the crux of the hardcore fan's argument was that Valve has spent time developing a new game, instead of making DLC for L4D. And what would be the purpose of buying and playing L4D2 if there's going to be DLC, when there's a new game out? And if they instead, refuse to buy the new game, isn't it back to square one (boycotting the game)?

Both ways there little incentive to buy either games... The first one little DLC, and when the new game comes out, there'll be new DLC for the old one? And if there's no DLC for the old game, then why would you trust/support a company who will release an incomplete game?

And I think that the whole hardcore rage goes beyond L4D, but goes to the root of the PC vs Console gamer mistrust and backlash for every PC centric developer that moves on to the console (Bethesda for e.g. for how Deus Ex 2 came out when it was made for the Xbox in mind, instead of the PC [God, Deus Ex was awesome...])

We don't know how much of Valves team have been working on L4D2, obviously the DLC for L4D1 was being made alongside L4D2, its absurd for Valve fans to want valve to spend a year doing free DLC.

But if if the free DLC and L4D2 came out at the same time, wouldn't it kill any incentive to buy L4D2? Isn't the whole fear that it's unrealistic for Valve to do that, because they're now only out for the money (according to the hardcore fans)? And if the DLC doesn't come out, wouldn't that also support their argument that Valve went back on their word?

I don't think Valve fans were expecting Valve to spend an entire year dedicated entirely soley to DLC, but I think they were expecting more regular DLC updates, during the life span of the first game.

Like I said, Left 4 Dead 2 is a completely new game, new characters and New AI, that wouldn't have worked for DLC for L4D. The incentive is a an entirely new game. So yes they can still bring out free DLC for L4D at the same time ...

have you wachted the video?? they promised all those things for Left 4 dead.......