Million said: Mistershine said: ZenfoldorVGI said: Forza 2 same car in Forza 3 The difference between the 2 tracks is huge as well, not just the cars. Might that just be because Forza 2 wasn't that technicaly impressive to beging with ?. I can assure that the gap between GT5 and GT4 is much bigger !! lol.

The gap between GT4 & GT5P also spans a hardware generation.

Fair enough...i still say your only hurting yourself by doing that.  But ultimatly its up to you...

@Mistershine : That's not my point , i'm saying that the leap in graphics is easier to achieve if the earlier game isn't technicaly impressive to begin with.

and yet, it would still not prove GT5 is the better game. Remember Carnival games and Wii play people.

Anyway, I'm not sure I agree with this guy. Neither game is the perfect racing sim (I can only speak of Forza 2 and GT4 and a 2 hour trial of  GT5:P here) and it's gotten to the point that they've chosen how their physics and gameplay engine will run (neither is perfect or uber realistic), so one cannot surpass the other for driving experience.

What matters now is content and for me, Gran Turismo TV (if it's still going to be in the final product) looks to be an amazing idea on paper. I'm not sure if Take 10 has anything that is as cool as that.

Yet you own a PS3?  Made by the company that told you people will work extra hours to afford the PS3 because is so awesome and they will want it?

I have a PS3 as well but if you're not going to buy something based on company arrogance I would think you'd have stayed as far away from Sony products as possible lol

Still many people believe GT5 E3 trailer was CGI, but no one said the same about Forza 3. And since its confirmed now that it was RT there is no doubt left which is better SIM. Forza 3 cars seem made of plastic.

Not so much Real Time (because of some angles in that trailer), but on an in-game engine... which is good enough for me.

I put my full trust in GT being the best, as it has always been.

Arrogance didn't stop him from buying MGS4 either. Munkeh's double standards pretty much declare "I'm a fanboy".

as long as the problems with forza 2 are fixed ill be happy. i'm getting this no problem. a lot of my friends play forza 2 on live and we still have fun with it. GT is cool, but i just like live better than psn because i have more real live friends on it.

Your a hypocrit if you own a ps3 then.  When the PS3 first came out they were masters at spewing BS of which they knew a lot of was a lie.  Atleast with Forza 3, they seem to have lived up to or exceeded most peoples expectations.

Turn 10 has been working on this game for a while now, they are obviously proud of it and being a bit cocky is a good sign to me.  They are proud of what they have done with a limited time frame and budget compared to GT5.  Give them a break, they are doing nothing that hasn't been done by any of the other developers out there including the ones who make GT5.