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agreed, but i am not sure if they will be able to use it much even next gen . b/c having shown it now you know the wii will come out with something even better

i really dont know what they were thinking b/c they have tipped there hand when they cant win and that has cost them for teh next game as well

It still works in my favor since Kleenex was the first to introduce tissue paper in America, which is the country that most uses the term Kleenex to refer to a tissue.  In most countries around the world they still just refer to it as a tissue.

Stop arguing about tissues and discuss the main thread. All this resemblance conversation is because any motion device will be known as "similar to the Wii".

If you google that, you'll find a shitload of websites (and even newspapers all around the world) sayin' that Microsoft and Sony took the Wii approach. If it wasn't like I said, they wouldn't mention the Wii.

I saw too many things wrong that I didn't care to post the full correction. Montana covered quite a few points.

I'll just say that the production cost of the camera in Natal is supposedly only about $20, so add in the other hardware and microphone and it seems to be no where near $100-200.

The rest... just realize you have a very narrow minded view on the subject and apparently can only see one outcome where many exist. These new controls are not meant to "destroy the wii", but they will take some interest of casuals and take some selling impact from the Wii.

Oh, and MS stated with Natal that they are targeting the 60% of households that still do not own any console. They are targeting people who don't even own a Wii because they don't like the idea of a controller at all. I've seen people play with Wii-remotes and suck, so if you really think these kinds of people don't exist, well that is another facet to your narrow minded view.

Another Wii owner threatened by Sony and MS copying one of the only thing Nintendo has going for it, motion controls. Now that Nintendo has lost it's status as cheapest console, all it has is Motion controls and media attention.

Those durations sound way too long to me. We know that both Sony and MS have already sent devkits for developers to try out the new control technologies. Even if the tech changes slightly, if those controls come out in late 2010 there will have been about 14-16 months for developers to get to speed with them.

Consider something like SEGA's Virtual Tennis - or maybe it's EA's one, indulge me here - that is coming out in versions for 360/PS3 that use "traditional" controls, and in a Wii version that supports WM+. Doesn't it sound reasonable that after 15 months of devkits experimentation, if they publish a new tennis or golf game right after these products come out, they'll at least add the option to play with a Sony wand or your hand gesture in Natal's case?

Thus you could have optional, minor support since holidays 2010, and growing support with games more centered around them, especially first party titles, during 2011. Third party casual titles that are planned around start of 2011 can very well come out in the same year, or at least for the 2011 holidays.

That leaves for later the leveraging of these technologies in big projects, indeed. But I doubt those projects will be aimed at the market in which Sony and MS would like to enter and compete with the Wii.

I also covered the covered Montana poinst.

A wii Remote Plus Nunchuk costs 60$. How can Natal camera cost the same or a few more? No way. Microsoft also prices an wifi adapter and HDD at insane prices. Don't expect the camera to be nowhere below 100$.

Oh, And don't believe at Microsoft statements. They use to say many bullshit like "Wii is fad"; "we are not interested in gimmicks"; "We are the market leader" and yeah... All those statements are so true that it hurts my soul.

Second and last places don't treaten me ;)

And if you think the Wii is gonna stop selling or jump behind X360 or something of the kind... hide while people don't laugh at your face.

And I'm also getting a PS3 for The Last Guardian, Uncharted 2 and GT5 mainly. Just waiting a price drop to 300$.

Let me explain how I see it, not necessarily how others see it.

My problem with the Wii initially was the lack of precision. The new controls came out of nowhere, wii sports was basically a tech demo for the controls, and the controls in my view were not precise enough. All things that for me made the wii motion controls gimmicky.

Fast foward quite a bit. Most of the games on the Wii are bad bad bad. The controls continue to not be precise enough, allow you waggle instead of actually due the true motion, and feel like they are tacked on to the game instead of used when necessary and not otherwise.

So Nintendo releases motion plus. Finally there is hope. I can even put aside that most of their FPS are shooters on rails. There is a window here that may at least get some of us HD gamers to enjoy NINTENDO again. But that all depends on if they can get 3rd party developers to stop making crap and start making good games with good controls.

As to your points about SONY and MS motion controls.

1. I disagree with MontanaHatchet. It's not about being fickle. It's about throwing some thing new at us traditional control gamers and then not doing that thing very well.

2. Here is where I start to agree with MontanaHatchet. There are plenty of new people to grab up. Given the size of the previous generation. And if Nintendo is making millions of new gamers. There is still a possible doubling or tripling of size for the current generation.

I don't have time to go into the rest.