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Well that's your opinion, but If they successed wii will lose all its advantage on novelty



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Opinion doesn't qualify as "firm proof" no matter how good it is.



Imperial said:
Opinion doesn't qualify as "firm proof" no matter how good it is.

Your opinion doesn't qualify my proof as a non-being. No matter how good it is.



Keep_the_change said:
Imperial said:
Opinion doesn't qualify as "firm proof" no matter how good it is.

Your opinion doesn't qualify my proof as a non-being. No matter how good it is.

The flaw in your last post being that ,this is not opinion , it's virtualy fact.

In virtualy all situations where proof is required to prove a certain point , mere opinion will never suffice. A court of law for example.



Imperial said:
Keep_the_change said:
Imperial said:
Opinion doesn't qualify as "firm proof" no matter how good it is.

Your opinion doesn't qualify my proof as a non-being. No matter how good it is.

The flaw in your last post being that ,this is not opinion , it's virtualy fact.

In virtualy all situations where proof is required to prove a certain point , mere opinion will never suffice. A court of law for example.

I post your words.



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While I personally dont care for all of the motion controlls and think they are a waste of time when they could be making games for a controller that works well already.

Your article is wrong, and if Sony and Microsoft wanted their project to succeed they can make them do so by marketing and making games that people want that require the controls. But as I said I would personally rather that not happen.



Vetteman94 said:
While I personally dont care for all of the motion controlls and think they are a waste of time when they could be making games for a controller that works well already.

Your article is wrong, and if Sony and Microsoft wanted their project to succeed they can make them do so by marketing and making games that people want that require the controls. But as I said I would personally rather that not happen.

- It won't sell good enough: Majority of the public which already got a PS3 or 360 have been claiming since Wii's launch that Motion Control doesn't please them, feels gimmick and classic controllers remain the most reliable control scheme. So that being known for 3 years its obvious that only a small portion from the userbase from both consoles is jumping into the new experience as it feels so or even more gimmick than the Wii controls and that's exactly what the majority of them do not want. There's almost no market for the existing audience.

 

- It appeals to the Casual market already monopolized by Nintendo: Wii came along, had a huge success and it is known for its controls and for Wii Sports. The mark of this generation and the most sold game worldwide since ever. Whatever that resembles to the Wiimote will instantly get compared to it and seen like something similar and not a new thing. Just like any touchscreen phone nowadays " oh! seems like the iPhone" instead of being just another phone with touchscreen. So conquering new casual market with their approaches will be hard.



Another consideration is how late in the generation these products will be released ...

The earliest I could see either company releasing their add-ons would be for the holiday season in 2010 (around 12 to 18 months from now) and while there will be a few third party efforts for these add-ons at launch and through out the first year, most publishers are going to take a wait and see approach about throwing support towards these systems. A large reason for this is simply a numbers game, where there are (roughly) 80 to 120 Million Wii owners who are buying several games per year, 80 to 100 HD console owners who are buying several games per year, and 0 Add-On owners with unknown purchase habits. If you assume a 12 to 18 month waiting period before dedicating much support to these Add-Ons, and 12 to 18 months before the high support translates into a steady stream of decent games, this works out to these Add-Ons getting this support in 2013 or 2014. If you consider what happens if new consoles or handhelds are released in 2010 through 2012 (taking away third party support and consumer interest), and potential delays pushing this hardware's release into 2011, it is entirely possible (and in my opinion likely) that these systems don't have the time to build consumer/developer support before their consoles are taken off of the market.

 



Keep_the_change said:
Vetteman94 said:
While I personally dont care for all of the motion controlls and think they are a waste of time when they could be making games for a controller that works well already.

Your article is wrong, and if Sony and Microsoft wanted their project to succeed they can make them do so by marketing and making games that people want that require the controls. But as I said I would personally rather that not happen.

- It won't sell good enough: Majority of the public which already got a PS3 or 360 have been claiming since Wii's launch that Motion Control doesn't please them, feels gimmick and classic controllers remain the most reliable control scheme. So that being known for 3 years its obvious that only a small portion from the userbase from both consoles is jumping into the new experience as it feels so or even more gimmick than the Wii controls and that's exactly what the majority of them do not want. There's almost no market for the existing audience.

 

- It appeals to the Casual market already monopolized by Nintendo: Wii came along, had a huge success and it is known for its controls and for Wii Sports. The mark of this generation and the most sold game worldwide since ever. Whatever that resembles to the Wiimote will instantly get compared to it and seen like something similar and not a new thing. Just like any touchscreen phone nowadays " oh! seems like the iPhone" instead of being just another phone with touchscreen. So conquering new casual market with their approaches will be hard.

First off, this tech isnt entirely about the gamers who already purchased a PS3 or a 360, they are focusing on the casual market.  The ones that havent bought a PS3 or a 360 for one reason or another.  And with the right games and the right pricing model, they can compete with the Wii. 
Dont think that the Wii Market cant be sold to,  if they see something that is similar and looks like it could also be fun they will buy it.  Dont think that they have brand loyalty or whatever.  They will go where the games are that they think are fun to play,  and if Microsoft and Sony come up with those they will buy them.   

Also, the iPhone is was not the first touchscreen phone, it wasnt even the first touchscreen Apple product. Its just like all other Apple products and gets hyped beyond belief.  So their situation actually works in my favor and not yours, so thanks for bringing it up.



Vetteman94 said:

Also, the iPhone is was not the first touchscreen phone, it wasnt even the first touchscreen Apple product. Its just like all other Apple products and gets hyped beyond belief. So their situation actually works in my favor and not yours, so thanks for bringing it up.

It only works in your favour if you think that (potential) Wii owners are unwilling to be brand conscience, and (potential) HD console owers are entirely brand conscience ... Not really a fair assumption being that people universally consider a tissue a Kleenex.