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@HappySqurriel

That is erroneous logic. A single parent home is no less loving or supportive. Further more single parents do not necessarily make poor parents. A single parent may have to work harder to give the love, but single parents are also more likely to network with other parents to see to the needs of their children.

There is a difference between a single parent, and a parent that did not want a child to begin with. A single parent was faced with the choice, and decided to have the child. The parent that did not want the child, but was forced to have the child is not likely to give that child the love it needs.

I hear this nonsense a lot that single parents are somehow inferior to couples. When something or someone is important to you. You make the time for them period end of story. I know a lot of people that had single parents, and they have never said they were neglected or did not get the love they needed.

As with all things it isn't how much you have to bring to bare it is how you do it. I have seen couples raise total screw loose psychopaths, and I have seen single parents raise saints. Are these people the exception nope, because we aren't seeing thirty percent of this nations youth terrorizing around the country side.



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Like I said, I don't agree with abortion - especiallly late-term abortion, but there gots to be better way to deal with this problem. Murdering someone at church is not the answer.
I think pro-life movement/especially the Christian groups were/are doing a good job teaching the value of unborn children - that these kind of doctors are disappearing.
I am very pro-life, and news is not good for us.



HappySqurriel said:
Dodece said:
@ HappySqurriel

I think the logic holds that unwanted children grow up in poor environments. Either they suffer from neglect, or are the wards of the state. Which typically results in a instability in their formative years. Which in turn creates a higher likelihood that they will engage in criminal behavior as adolescents and adults. I think we all knew children like that growing up. The ones that never got the attention or love they needed and deserved. I am not saying it accounts for all reduction, but it probably accounts for some.


Being that 13% of children were raised in single parent households in 1970 and that has grown to over 30% today, with a large portion of that growth being the result of more single women having unwanted children, wouldn't your argument mean that we should have seen an increase in violent crime?

a very good point. 



It would be a great day when a woman wouldn't feel the need to have an abortion. Where everyone is educated about his or her body. So those who don't want to have kids will do more to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Where those who are pregnant will get all the prenatal care they need and once the kid is born the support continues. Those that are pro life shouldn't end being pro life at birth. Make sure that the baby won't be one of millions who doesn't have health care.



I've been fearing a rise in right-wing terrorism in this country ever since Obama was elected president... We may start to see more militias, more Timothy McVeighs and more Eric Robert Rudolphs in the coming years because conservatives feel powerless and that is the root of terrorism.



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Dodece said:
@HappySqurriel

That is erroneous logic. A single parent home is no less loving or supportive. Further more single parents do not necessarily make poor parents. A single parent may have to work harder to give the love, but single parents are also more likely to network with other parents to see to the needs of their children.

There is a difference between a single parent, and a parent that did not want a child to begin with. A single parent was faced with the choice, and decided to have the child. The parent that did not want the child, but was forced to have the child is not likely to give that child the love it needs.

I hear this nonsense a lot that single parents are somehow inferior to couples. When something or someone is important to you. You make the time for them period end of story. I know a lot of people that had single parents, and they have never said they were neglected or did not get the love they needed.

As with all things it isn't how much you have to bring to bare it is how you do it. I have seen couples raise total screw loose psychopaths, and I have seen single parents raise saints. Are these people the exception nope, because we aren't seeing thirty percent of this nations youth terrorizing around the country side.

Actually..

http://ideas.repec.org/p/van/wpaper/0425.html

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idarticle=6317

http://www.thehilltoponline.com/2.4839/children-in-single-parent-homes-and-emotional-problems-1.472758

There's quite a bit of research that correlates developmental problems being greater in single-parent households than 2-parent households. Say what you want, but the research is against you. I'd love to see you prove otherwise.

damkira - What about the left-wing attacks during the Bush years, by organizations like the Earth Liberation Front? Terrorism is on both sides of the coin, buddy.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

You don't get too much lower of a person than Tiller. The guy performed late term abortions 6-9 months into a woman's pregnancy for money. I have little sympathy for Tiller but murder was not the right answer. Anyone, pro-life or not, should be upset for what his murderer has done.

It's too bad but there are a lot of deranged people out there but they aren't beholden to a specific view on life or political orientation.



@mrstickball

Actually my point isn't which is better a single or couple. They are light years ahead of a uncaring home, or the foster care system. Both of which are text book recipes for psychological problems. Neither of which is palatable. You either have a parent that is disinterested at best, and at worst cruel. On the other hand you can get the exact same thing in the foster system. With the same problems antagonized by the prospect of constant moving.

The point being that unwanted pregnancies that result in abortions are probably precluding that possibility more often then not. I tend to believe that more often then not it is probably a sound decision. I want drug addicts to have abortions, because they are emotional wrecks, and their children suffer profound birth defects. I have a degree of trust in a women having an abortion in that they are making a sound decision, because lets face it this is doing something that goes against just about every instinct they have raging.



Dodece said:
@mrstickball

Actually my point isn't which is better a single or couple. They are light years ahead of a uncaring home, or the foster care system. Both of which are text book recipes for psychological problems. Neither of which is palatable. You either have a parent that is disinterested at best, and at worst cruel. On the other hand you can get the exact same thing in the foster system. With the same problems antagonized by the prospect of constant moving.

The point being that unwanted pregnancies that result in abortions are probably precluding that possibility more often then not. I tend to believe that more often then not it is probably a sound decision. I want drug addicts to have abortions, because they are emotional wrecks, and their children suffer profound birth defects. I have a degree of trust in a women having an abortion in that they are making a sound decision, because lets face it this is doing something that goes against just about every instinct they have raging.

Except that the number of children in foster per 1000 children steadily increased through the 1980s and 1990s, and (today) remains higher than in was in the 1960s and 1970s, which (by your logic) would imply a higher rate of violent crime today than was happening in the 1960s and 1970s.  There is no evidence to show that abortions are more often performed on drug users, or people who are somehow going to make less caring parents, and the assumption that this is the case is much more based on a person's ideology than it is on fact.

 

 

Basically, any statistics you look at demonstrate that more "unwanted" children are living in environments that dramatically increase their likelihood of committing (often violent) crimes; and yet the rate of violent crime continues to drop. With this in mind anyone who is being reasonable would have to concede that any impact abortion had was probably very minor especially when you compare it to the impact of other factors like 3-strikes laws, the decline in quantity and regularity of alcohol use, the decline of domestic violence (and the elimination of corporal punishment in school), and the introduction of more productive outlets for violent outbursts.

 



Late term abortion is a grey area for me. I am pro-choice and I support the parents right to abort if they wish. But I generaly oppose late term abortion.

I can't understand why this hypocrite decided to take someones life. If the killer calls himself pro-life then he should buy a dictionary and look up the words "pro" and "life". I don't understand the logic of some people I'm afraid.

@ MrBubbles - Tiller is not a monster who butchered innocent children, it's not like killing babies was his hobby. He just simply worked in a field of medicine that is not to pleasent and controversial. Many people have occupations are not pretty, would you condemn a soldier to death for fighting in a battle? For all intents and purposes they too are killing (and killing innocent adults in many cases).

Many jobs hold a degree of unpleasantness and controversy, but someone has to perform the job. No-one deserves to die for this, or any other legitimate occupation. Yet you support the violent murder of people who are simply doing their job - And that is what is truly sick here.