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Avinash_Tyagi on 28 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Except Zimbawe still has massive unemployment and hyperinflation and other economic problems, the charity isn't doing much good over there.

Never said they don't care, I said there are better ways than conservatives know how to do

So don't bother?  That's twisted logic.  Besides Zimbabwe is just one of many places that could use money and charity.  The charity burdens in Europeon countries aren't even close to being met domestically.

US charities do work, quite well.  Yet the liberals of this country just don't give as much.


No, I'm saying we need to find better ways to help Zimbabwe then charity, helping to fix their government and economy, develop institutions and systems that work, get zimbabweans into jobs, that is how we will help them.



 

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Kasz216 on 28 May 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Except Zimbawe still has massive unemployment and hyperinflation and other economic problems, the charity isn't doing much good over there.

Never said they don't care, I said there are better ways than conservatives know how to do

So don't bother?  That's twisted logic.  Besides Zimbabwe is just one of many places that could use money and charity.  The charity burdens in Europeon countries aren't even close to being met domestically.

US charities do work, quite well.  Yet the liberals of this country just don't give as much.


No, I'm saying we need to find better ways to help Zimbabwe then charity, helping to fix their government and economy, develop institutions and systems that work, get zimbabweans into jobs, that is how we will help them.

But let them starve until then?

Clearly all that other stuff will help... but they need help now... lots of people need help now... and more socialist countries are ignoring that.



Avinash_Tyagi on 28 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Except Zimbawe still has massive unemployment and hyperinflation and other economic problems, the charity isn't doing much good over there.

Never said they don't care, I said there are better ways than conservatives know how to do

So don't bother?  That's twisted logic.  Besides Zimbabwe is just one of many places that could use money and charity.  The charity burdens in Europeon countries aren't even close to being met domestically.

US charities do work, quite well.  Yet the liberals of this country just don't give as much.


No, I'm saying we need to find better ways to help Zimbabwe then charity, helping to fix their government and economy, develop institutions and systems that work, get zimbabweans into jobs, that is how we will help them.

But let them starve until then?

Clearly all that other stuff will help... but they need help now... lots of people need help now... and more socialist countries are ignoring that.

Well that blame is on the international community, which has been slow to move in helping nations in Africa, international action is what the nation needs to recover.  Just giving charity money won't revive the nation of Zimbabwe, massive change in their economic and poliitcal structure will be needed



 

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coolestguyever on 28 May 2009

yeah as a percent. But percents don't get money, in this case the number is what matters.

1. A poor guy who makes $25,000 donates $1,000 - That's 4% and quite generous.

2. A wealthier guy who makes $100,000 donates $3,000 - That's only 3%, but its 3x as much as the poor guy donated.

3. A mega rich guy who makes $1,000,000 donates 25,000 - That's a pitiful 2.5% of his income, but wait it's still $25,000.

So my point is while by percent poor people may be generous, it's the rich people who really support the charities even if they give a lower percentage.



Zlejedi on 29 May 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Except Zimbawe still has massive unemployment and hyperinflation and other economic problems, the charity isn't doing much good over there.

Never said they don't care, I said there are better ways than conservatives know how to do

That's becouse you can't solve country problems by giving food to it's people. You solve those problems by stabilising political situation there and by helping them establish food production to cover their needs regularly. Otherwise you just create nation of beggars.

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Kasz216 on 29 May 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Except Zimbawe still has massive unemployment and hyperinflation and other economic problems, the charity isn't doing much good over there.

Never said they don't care, I said there are better ways than conservatives know how to do

So don't bother?  That's twisted logic.  Besides Zimbabwe is just one of many places that could use money and charity.  The charity burdens in Europeon countries aren't even close to being met domestically.

US charities do work, quite well.  Yet the liberals of this country just don't give as much.


No, I'm saying we need to find better ways to help Zimbabwe then charity, helping to fix their government and economy, develop institutions and systems that work, get zimbabweans into jobs, that is how we will help them.

But let them starve until then?

Clearly all that other stuff will help... but they need help now... lots of people need help now... and more socialist countries are ignoring that.

Well that blame is on the international community, which has been slow to move in helping nations in Africa, international action is what the nation needs to recover.  Just giving charity money won't revive the nation of Zimbabwe, massive change in their economic and poliitcal structure will be needed

No.  But short term it does help people... and once again... that's ignoring many many other charities that go unfunded... even ones within the countries themselves.



donathos on 30 May 2009

I think rich vs. poor is kind of a silly way to look at this sort of thing.  Being poor doesn't make a person charitable, nor does being rich make a person stingy, and so on--it all comes down to the individual concerned.  We've learned that lesson with regards to all sorts of things, like race, gender, etc.  But Marx' stink persists, so judging and hating people based on their economic situation is still considered kosher in polite society.

That said, and to address some of the conversation here, I know this:  If I were running a charity or dependent on one, and I had to choose between a poor man donating five or so percent of his wealth versus a rich man donating two percent... I know what I'd choose.  Can't buy much bread with the widow's mite.