yeah, and what i'm saying is, the vid you posted that you're labeling as "proof" is a joke article. try again and find a more serious one.

and i choose to believe people who are actually working for the industry and know things a lot better than we do

i would choose to believe them too, if they were talking serious.

man, you gotta realize a joke article from a serious one. anyway i'm tired of debating nonsense with a guy who can't differentiate the two. next please.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/best-graphics-best-of-e3/37504

^^that one is a joke too, right?

EDIT: The link is on the 14th page

best of e3?

lol there we go again.. enough man, you're making this thread look bad.

Ah well, we've all known since launch both HD consoles are pretty much on par graphics-wise. It just depends on the budget, the artstyle, the developer and all that stuff the OP mentioned.

I mean, look what Factor 5 did on GameCube with their Rogue Squadron games, those actually look better than a lot of HD games released for PS3/360.

so there is no link that can convince you KZ2 is graphical shooter king???

this thread is about graphics, and i'm not about to make claims about anything. all i'm saying is, the "proofs" you're trying to present are nothing but opinion and incorrect comparisons. read the OP again.

Couldn't agree more.