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largedarryl on 22 May 2009

Well your post if very well thought out and doesn't allow you personal beliefs to affect your position on confrontational issues.

I agree with many of your ideas, but I honestly have only made it half way through your post. I am going to finish reading and may get back to posting after the weekend.

Of course without finishing reading, one of the only issues a believe in strongly enough to be outspoken about is civil rights.



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akuma587 on 22 May 2009
Desroko said:






Kasz216 said:
Why is their approach on gay marriage a problem Akuma? I mean... most people agree with that stance as of yet.

The fact that Kerry wasn't more against gay marriage really hurt him a lot.



Because marriage equality is rapidly approaching majority support - the younger you are, the more likely you are to support it. Like most left-of-center positions.
This.  It will only be a major issue for a few more election cycles.

We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

The Ghost of RubangB on 22 May 2009

Ron Paul's dead?!?


Marriage should be run by a free market. I don't want the church OR the government meddling with my relationship and deciding who we can create families with.



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HappySqurriel on 22 May 2009
akuma587 said:
For there to be a viable conservative party, they have to quit taking a hard-line on some (but not all) of the following issues:

Energy (there current policy doesn't even really make that much sense as it goes against there strong national defense attitude)
Environment (why is the environment a partisan issue?)
Abortion
Gay marriage
Health Care (completely dropped the ball on this one - McCain didn't even try to fight Obama on this issue)
Approach to war on terror (I'm sorry, but even if Dick Cheney is right, he still hurts Republicans. Guy has a 19% approval rating)
Religion in politics (don't really see this going away, but worth listing)
Taxes (don't see this changing either, but worth listing)
Military spending (current stance goes against fiscally conservative principles)
Relationships with minorities (minorities currently trust the Republican Party about as much as they trust the police)
Purity in the party (another big one - big parties and "pure" parties usually don't mix. The Green Party may be very pure, but when is the last time it won any national elections?)

Really, some of the Republican Party's stances on those issues don't even qualify as "conservative," so I don't think changing some of them will do any injury to Republican principles. But I don't think anyone would say that the strategy the party has had in the past years is politically viable.



Just as a note, the environment is not a partisan issue and most conservatives and libertarians fully support protecting the environment through the use of reasonable measures. There is a large collection of people who use questionable science, distortion of facts, and outright lies to generate an "environmental crisis" in order to promote international socialism. Even one of the founders of greenpeace (Patrick Moore) saw the abandoning of science by the "Environmental" movement in favour of sensationalism and political agendas, and it was one of the main reasons why he abandoned the organization and focused on sustainable development (typically helping corporations balance their concerns about the bottom line with concerns about the environment) ... The beautiful thing that (almost) no one will pay attention to is that he has probably done far more for the environment by abandoning the "Environmental" movement then he ever could have by being part of it.

MontanaHatchet on 22 May 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Ron Paul's dead?!?


Marriage should be run by a free market. I don't want the church OR the government meddling with my relationship and deciding who we can create families with.
Yes, god forbid you should offend an evangelical or two.

 

 

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mrstickball on 22 May 2009

Correct, HS.

Most conservatives and liberitarians are conservationists, as opposed to the socialist's environmentalist. One has a regard for business, people, and the environment. The other does not.

It's honestly rare that I see environmentalists conserve, really. Most of them tend to merely attack pollutants, as opposed to attempting to fund more effcient, conservative items.

Some forget that business WANTS effciency, and conservation - it saves money. What they don't want are things not aimed at improving their business and consumers, such as we've seen with things such as Cap and Trade, and some 'green' buildings.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

The Ghost of RubangB on 22 May 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Ron Paul's dead?!?


Marriage should be run by a free market. I don't want the church OR the government meddling with my relationship and deciding who we can create families with.
Yes, god forbid you should offend an evangelical or two.
Hey they let me get married and I'm an atheist.  Seems like a lack of reliigous discrimination in a governmental institution if you ask me.  At the court house it was exactly like the DMV.  I filled some stuff out on a computer, I waited for a robot to call my number, I went up to a window and filled out some paperwork and wrote a check, went upstairs, read some vows, signed some more paperwork, and took a photo.  Then I went to Denny's.  It was great.  I think gay people should be allowed the same DMV weddings.  Churches don't have to.  Nobody would want to get married in a church that doesn't like them.

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CommunistHater on 22 May 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
MontanaHatchet said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Ron Paul's dead?!?


Marriage should be run by a free market. I don't want the church OR the government meddling with my relationship and deciding who we can create families with.
Yes, god forbid you should offend an evangelical or two.
Hey they let me get married and I'm an atheist.  Seems like a lack of reliigous discrimination in a governmental institution if you ask me.  At the court house it was exactly like the DMV.  I filled some stuff out on a computer, I waited for a robot to call my number, I went up to a window and filled out some paperwork and wrote a check, went upstairs, read some vows, signed some more paperwork, and took a photo.  Then I went to Denny's.  It was great.  I think gay people should be allowed the same DMV weddings.  Churches don't have to.  Nobody would want to get married in a church that doesn't like them.
People want to sue Churches, and wedding providers that will not allow same-sex marriage.  Passing Same-Sex marriage is opening the door to lawsuits.  People will even sue schools because their textbooks don't give equal space to their lifestyle.

A Libertarian cannot be for government enforced relationship protection.

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The Ghost of RubangB on 22 May 2009
CommunistHater said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
MontanaHatchet said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Ron Paul's dead?!?


Marriage should be run by a free market. I don't want the church OR the government meddling with my relationship and deciding who we can create families with.
Yes, god forbid you should offend an evangelical or two.
Hey they let me get married and I'm an atheist.  Seems like a lack of reliigous discrimination in a governmental institution if you ask me.  At the court house it was exactly like the DMV.  I filled some stuff out on a computer, I waited for a robot to call my number, I went up to a window and filled out some paperwork and wrote a check, went upstairs, read some vows, signed some more paperwork, and took a photo.  Then I went to Denny's.  It was great.  I think gay people should be allowed the same DMV weddings.  Churches don't have to.  Nobody would want to get married in a church that doesn't like them.
People want to sue Churches, and wedding providers that will not allow same-sex marriage.  Passing Same-Sex marriage is opening the door to lawsuits.  People will even sue schools because their textbooks don't give equal space to their lifestyle.

A Libertarian cannot be for government enforced relationship protection.
And every once in a while a guy tries to sue Hooters because they only hire girls and that's sexist.  We don't make Hooters illegal.  There are already gay churches.  Gay people can get married there, or at a oourthouse.  If gay marriage is legal, there will be a market for gay wedding services.  People who want to make money will perform gay weddings.

Can you be for government endorsed religion enforced relationship protection discrimination?

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akuma587 on 23 May 2009






The Ghost of RubangB said:







CommunistHater said:







The Ghost of RubangB said:







MontanaHatchet said:







The Ghost of RubangB said:
Ron Paul's dead?!?


Marriage should be run by a free market. I don't want the church OR the government meddling with my relationship and deciding who we can create families with.

Yes, god forbid you should offend an evangelical or two.

Hey they let me get married and I'm an atheist.  Seems like a lack of reliigous discrimination in a governmental institution if you ask me.  At the court house it was exactly like the DMV.  I filled some stuff out on a computer, I waited for a robot to call my number, I went up to a window and filled out some paperwork and wrote a check, went upstairs, read some vows, signed some more paperwork, and took a photo.  Then I went to Denny's.  It was great.  I think gay people should be allowed the same DMV weddings.  Churches don't have to.  Nobody would want to get married in a church that doesn't like them.

People want to sue Churches, and wedding providers that will not allow same-sex marriage.  Passing Same-Sex marriage is opening the door to lawsuits.  People will even sue schools because their textbooks don't give equal space to their lifestyle.

A Libertarian cannot be for government enforced relationship protection.

And every once in a while a guy tries to sue Hooters because they only hire girls and that's sexist.  We don't make Hooters illegal.  There are already gay churches.  Gay people can get married there, or at a oourthouse.  If gay marriage is legal, there will be a market for gay wedding services.  People who want to make money will perform gay weddings.

Can you be for government endorsed religion enforced relationship protection discrimination?

QFT.  This is always the most bullshit argument against gay marriage, that churches will have to marry gay people.  Civil marriage and religious marriage are two separate things entirely.  No one is forcing churches to do anything.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson