I'd pay for the PS Network but I'm glad I don't have to. If I use my PS3 for another 8 years on the top of the 2 I have used it for already thats a saving of 400 Euro/$500. I'd rather spend that on games. And so would every XBox user whether they can admit it or not.

Your logic is failing too, Squill, since you assume that everyone paying for live is doing so because they LOVE it. They might do so because of the necessity to pay in order to be able to play online (something which has been a "given" ever since the first pc's surfaced).

You're going very crooked the past few, squillie.

You want the PS3 to fail so bad, don't you squilliam?

I'm sorry but this post here gets Megadude's "Makes fucking sense" award.

Nope, I don't pay for Live as I don't value online play. I don't value PSN either. Honestly, there are numerous examples especially with computers where people are willing to pay when the free alternatives are more than good enough. Linux and Open Office are perfect examples. This doesn't make the paid stuff absolutely fantastically brilliant or the free stuff crappy, it also doesn't mean that Linux has no value either.

If something is given away, it doesn't mean that people are unwilling to pay for it. Furthermore if something costs money when the alternatives are free, it doesn't mean that people would resent that either. I would propose that most people buying an Xbox today AND getting online would know that it costs money, whether they know that PSN is free or not is up to Sony to communicate.

I never suggested that everyone buying Live loves it, im merely saying that they value Live enough to buy it.

Oh yes please. If I upsize for 30c do I get a free cup of Wii-fail?

lol @ this thread.

@ squill: I can value online play and loathe the fact that I have to pay for it on Xbox and still pay up because I want to play online. That has nothing to do with valuing the service, it's your arm being twisted unless you pay up.

If Live is the door to online gaming and I'm forced to pay a price to be able to get past the door, that doesn't mean I value Live. Live is the lock that prevents you from getting something, unless you pay up to unlock it. If there is an alternative to it, allowing you to get the same experience out of the system, then you could bring forth the "people are willing to pay for it because they value it." If you can't choose between A and B, don't come telling that people value A if there's nothing else to choose from. (and no: "no online play" is not a choice most of the time).

I'm beginning to think you're just doing this to get some posts and so on, since you usually make more sense than this.

nen-suer said: M$ needs America more than any one else

This ^ .

We can all play the "what if?" game. It doesn't change anything.