dcIKeeL said:
Staude said:
dcIKeeL said:
Staude said:
If you look at the pure specs what you'll see is 9 active processors at 3.2ghz in the ps3 and 3 in the 360.
And ram wize you'll see 512mg gddr3 rams in the 360 operating at 700mhz while you'll see 256mb gddr3 ram in the ps3 operating at 700 mhz and 256 mb xdr ram operating at 3.2 ghz.
:p
Furthermore. Practically all multiplat games that run worse on the ps3 were either early in the life cycle, on the unreal engine (built for singlecore technology. Fitting with the 360 because it's cores share. Bottlenecking eachother) or in general made by developers who dump everything on the ppu (one of the ps3s cores) not using the spus.
Yes if you only use the ppu you can get a slightly inferior game to using all 3 of the 360s cores :p
But heres the trick. There are 6.5 other processors you can use. And they'll do anything. You can throw ai at them, various junk code, Rendering. That's right. The SPUs can render FOR the graphics card. I showed this like.. Yep i posted these pics on the first page. But i'll post them again.
I suggest you read the whole pdf. It's pretty interesting. What I showed you was just an example within the pdf.
This was from santa monicas keynote at this years gdc.
http://www.tilander.org/aurora/comp/gdc2009_Tilander_Filippov_SPU.pdf
The ps3 is also used by scientists because the powerful processor matches that of a super computer and it's used in the WORLDS STRONGEST COMPUTER. You don't think they would opt for the much cheaper 360 if it had anywhere near the same amount of juice ?
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Boy o Boy, we really are getting dumber aren't we? First of all, your little research there, is automatically thrash as soon as i read "our frame". You should get your information from an objective neutral source not sony or anyone who supports them. Like I sead before, the ps3 and 360 both use the exact same chip/core. EXACT SAME ONE! Why, because they were developed by an engineer named Dave Shippy and his team at IBM, in conjunction with sony, toshiba and later microsoft. That supercomputer chip and core, is in the 360 as well mr. sony minion. This is how it went in summarized laymans terms: It was IBM's chip, IBM was commissioned by Sony and Toshiba to build it, nearly 2 years into the design phase of "THE CELL" IBM struct a deal with Microsoft and decided that It's engineers (dave shippy and company) and they're chip, was also being designed for Microsoft. IBM came to an agreement with sony, toshiba and microsoft that they'd make this 1 COMMON CORE with new features and every company's input would be considered when ever possible. All parties agreed, chip was made, end of story. According to Dave Shippy, the creator of the powerpc processing core(supercomputer chip) and the cell, when asked which company used his processor more efficiently and therefore which console was more powerful he resonded: "I think they're fairly equal. What's interesting is that the powerpc common in both systems is used in completely different ways". Meaning the way the cell uses it's core and the way 360's architecture uses it differ greatly but in the end they're equal, one is more efficient than the other at different things and cancel each other out. You can argue with the designer of the cores if you choose, but this definitely puts a gaping hole in your supercomputer nonsense....seeing as BOTH the ps3 and the 360 are powered by the same processor in your cute little supercomputer.
Word of advice, grow up and be objective to everything, argue with logic not emotion and personal preference, it makes you say stupid bias things like this.
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WOW i hope you aren't serious. besides personal insults are forbidden on this forum. Before calling someone stupid you might wanna get your fact straight.
The Processors are completely differently built. The only thing they share in common is the ppe.
No way ! I can't honestly believe you think that. Wow !
Also i believe when you call someone dumb you are arguing with emotions.
CPU
Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
And it's their frame.. because it's their game and they need to get it operating within that frame. My point was that you can use the spus for grahpical purposes. And even though the xenon is based on a modified version of the ppe it has nothing to do with spus :p And those are the ones that make the ps3 a beast. .. Not to mention unique.
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CPU
Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
This is the exact same processor the xbox 360 runs on, this is what powers both systems, this is what powers (in part) the supercomputer you speak of, this is the most important thing, esseantially, both systems are equally strong since they share the exact same processor and obviously processing power, it's how each platform uses and distributes that power where they differ. But even then the xenon and the cell, have they're pros and cons and in the end they even each other out. Doing certain things better than the other respectively, non of which by the way, is a large difference by any stretch of the imagination.
Research the book: The Race For a New Game Machine by David Shippy and Mickie Phipps, to see why I OMG am crazy to believe they use the same chips/processor. If you don't then you're afraid to be wrong, want to turn the other way or just don't care enough, to which i ask, why are u arguing then?
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