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headshot91 on 17 May 2009
NightAntilli said:

@Headshot91: You have a great point. But I doubt most people would really notice it. Only the true hardcore gamers are going to notice breathing and eyes and mouth moving independently. Does not mean it shouldn't be done and it's actually a possitive development that they can achieve that to show realistic humanlike motions. But I also think that is not the only way to show a realistic animation and that bragging about how a certain platform performs those animations does not really have a purpose.

 

im not bragging, im just stating something that someone else already said. While people might not recognise when drake moves his eyes or mouth, they will recognise his pained expression as bullets go whizzing past and the way he looks out of breath etc when he runs. Its just the little touches that make us relate to him like a real person would be like in that situatiopn.



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NightAntilli on 17 May 2009
headshot91 said:
NightAntilli said:

@Headshot91: You have a great point. But I doubt most people would really notice it. Only the true hardcore gamers are going to notice breathing and eyes and mouth moving independently. Does not mean it shouldn't be done and it's actually a possitive development that they can achieve that to show realistic humanlike motions. But I also think that is not the only way to show a realistic animation and that bragging about how a certain platform performs those animations does not really have a purpose.

 

im not bragging, im just stating something that someone else already said. While people might not recognise when drake moves his eyes or mouth, they will recognise his pained expression as bullets go whizzing past and the way he looks out of breath etc when he runs. Its just the little touches that make us relate to him like a real person would be like in that situatiopn.

I know you weren't. I was referring to someone else who keeps repeating that through the whole topic. But like I said, you have a great point and it is a possitive development. But some people are simply acting like the X360 can never do that and according to them that shows the PS3 is superior, and that gets on my nerves. It's simply a developer's choice like any other, depending on the engine and what they want to achieve. Same as art direction for example.



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Staude on 17 May 2009
NightAntilli said:
Staude said:
NightAntilli said:
Hapimeses said:
NightAntilli said:

That's because the PS3 is mainly a brag platform.. No offense.

Could you explain that more fully as I'm not sure what you mean?

I think someone else already explained this for me if you think about it:

 

RAZurrection said:

It is the usual Sony PR. It relys on them coercing the uninformed. For instance, when god of war 3 had a poor reception to it's visuals (no thanks to hype meister David Jaffe) Sony were quick to point out god of war 3 has:

* god of war has 4x the texture resolution of its predecessor

* Kratos character model takes up as much as the PS2's total ram (32MB)

Which any semi-learned schoolboy would know:

* is a fairly typical resolution for even the earliest next-gen games

* is a fairly typical amount of memory for such models, heh even the PS360 respective Guide/XMB take up more than this

 

Why? Damage control? Convey something unremarkable into enough buzzwords and you can make something seem more impressive than it actually is.

Interesting thought though, I see the Uncharted 2 fans using the 300 animations lark at least twice in this thread and surely many more times over the vastness of the internet, but how come I don't see any Assassins Creed 1/2 fanboys talking up the 11,000 number?

 

So because he lies and twists ps3 is a brag platform ? that makes sense.

 

I'll explain this to you as i hope you'll actually bother to read what i write.

 

1. You can't designate ram to a model. What they said was that their ps2 model had 5000 polygons while their ps3 one has 20.000.

In comparison a fps on a pc with same specs as the ps2 has char models of around 1000 polygons or less. A reason i was pretty impressed when they said that. A normal model today probably has around 10 k polygons. .. Or maybe 20 k is the standard i'm not sure. I haven't worked on one of the newest engines yet.

 

2. The part about the uncharted animations is that hes saying the whole game as a whole has 11.000 animations. That's fine. But each char has 1 animation running at all times.

This while Uncharted has 30 animations running on 1 char because they used the spus to overlap their rendering and animations sequences making some of the most realistic movements you've ever seen in a video game. It's a very big difference. One that he ignored the last 3 times i explained it to him.

 

And again. The ps3 is used by scientists and the processor is used in the worlds fastest computer. Don't you think they would opt for the much cheaper 360 if it had the same level of processing power ?

1. Tell me why that would concern any gamer? Do you hear Microsoft saying Halo 3 models have 50.000k polygons and halo 2 only 1.000? Those numbers are made up btw, so don't quote me on that, it's just an example. When game graphics are a let down, Sony tends to say why it is so superior, and convince players that it actually shows how good the PS3 is.

Santa monica was asked what differences they had made to the game and the engine and they used kratos as an example. I don't see anything wrong with it. All developers explain the technical aspects of their games when asked.

 

2. This is the same thing again. Bragging bragging bragging. Do people actually see the difference if there's one or 30 animations running at once? And one of the games that still has the best animations is.... Dead or Alive 4. I don't care if it has one or one million animations running at once.

Again it's Nuaghty dog who said it when they were explaining how their engine worked in a developers diary or something. It wasn't anything sony asked them to say. Afterall they have pretty free hands. So again all developers does this.

I haven't played dead or alive 4. I'm into Tekken :p

 

3. (the scientists part) That's because the PS3 Cell can be assigned to specific tasks while the X360 CPU is more based on general purpose processing. Has nothing to do with the PS3 being so much stronger. And yet again I ask myself, why is scientists using the PS3 relevant to gaming?

you mean irrelevent ? because it has juice.

... :p

But yeah. The ps3 has a very unique build up. But that really is a reason why you can do so much with it. The processor is unlike any other.. which is a reason developers had to get used to it :p

But yeah you're right about them using it because of it's unique abilities.

 

I guess this reply you gave me only proves my point about the bragging part.....

I beg to differ. You'll read above why. Cause all developers does this. Or atleast a lot of them.

 

 



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Staude on 17 May 2009
NightAntilli said:
headshot91 said:
NightAntilli said:

@Headshot91: You have a great point. But I doubt most people would really notice it. Only the true hardcore gamers are going to notice breathing and eyes and mouth moving independently. Does not mean it shouldn't be done and it's actually a possitive development that they can achieve that to show realistic humanlike motions. But I also think that is not the only way to show a realistic animation and that bragging about how a certain platform performs those animations does not really have a purpose.

 

im not bragging, im just stating something that someone else already said. While people might not recognise when drake moves his eyes or mouth, they will recognise his pained expression as bullets go whizzing past and the way he looks out of breath etc when he runs. Its just the little touches that make us relate to him like a real person would be like in that situatiopn.

I know you weren't. I was referring to someone else who keeps repeating that through the whole topic. But like I said, you have a great point and it is a possitive development. But some people are simply acting like the X360 can never do that and according to them that shows the PS3 is superior, and that gets on my nerves. It's simply a developer's choice like any other, depending on the engine and what they want to achieve. Same as art direction for example.

^I've kept saying that the game could be done on the 360 it'd just be different. Both in this topic and in another. The issue is that i'm only quoted for what people want's to argue about. Just like everyone else :p

 



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headshot91 on 17 May 2009
Staude said:
NightAntilli said:
headshot91 said:
NightAntilli said:

@Headshot91: You have a great point. But I doubt most people would really notice it. Only the true hardcore gamers are going to notice breathing and eyes and mouth moving independently. Does not mean it shouldn't be done and it's actually a possitive development that they can achieve that to show realistic humanlike motions. But I also think that is not the only way to show a realistic animation and that bragging about how a certain platform performs those animations does not really have a purpose.

 

im not bragging, im just stating something that someone else already said. While people might not recognise when drake moves his eyes or mouth, they will recognise his pained expression as bullets go whizzing past and the way he looks out of breath etc when he runs. Its just the little touches that make us relate to him like a real person would be like in that situatiopn.

I know you weren't. I was referring to someone else who keeps repeating that through the whole topic. But like I said, you have a great point and it is a possitive development. But some people are simply acting like the X360 can never do that and according to them that shows the PS3 is superior, and that gets on my nerves. It's simply a developer's choice like any other, depending on the engine and what they want to achieve. Same as art direction for example.

^I've kept saying that the game could be done on the 360 it'd just be different. Both in this topic and in another. The issue is that i'm only quoted for what people want's to argue about. Just like everyone else :p

 

 

 

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deathgod33 on 17 May 2009

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NightAntilli on 17 May 2009
Staude said:
NightAntilli said:
headshot91 said:
NightAntilli said:

@Headshot91: You have a great point. But I doubt most people would really notice it. Only the true hardcore gamers are going to notice breathing and eyes and mouth moving independently. Does not mean it shouldn't be done and it's actually a possitive development that they can achieve that to show realistic humanlike motions. But I also think that is not the only way to show a realistic animation and that bragging about how a certain platform performs those animations does not really have a purpose.

 

im not bragging, im just stating something that someone else already said. While people might not recognise when drake moves his eyes or mouth, they will recognise his pained expression as bullets go whizzing past and the way he looks out of breath etc when he runs. Its just the little touches that make us relate to him like a real person would be like in that situatiopn.

I know you weren't. I was referring to someone else who keeps repeating that through the whole topic. But like I said, you have a great point and it is a possitive development. But some people are simply acting like the X360 can never do that and according to them that shows the PS3 is superior, and that gets on my nerves. It's simply a developer's choice like any other, depending on the engine and what they want to achieve. Same as art direction for example.

^I've kept saying that the game could be done on the 360 it'd just be different. Both in this topic and in another. The issue is that i'm only quoted for what people want's to argue about. Just like everyone else :p

 

Ah k cool. Then discussion is done :)

 



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dcIKeeL on 17 May 2009
XxXProphecyXxX said:
dcIKeeL said:
twingo said:
360 cant run the same amount of physics PS3 can, it cant have worlds as big/detailed.

 

 I'm soooo tired of this nonsense!! Do you sony drones truly believe that in the same generation 1 particular system is so advanced that whole games can't be replicated on the competition? Especially since the core technology for both systems is the SAME because, gee idk, they were developed by the SAME GUY!!?!?

Besides, last gen, all you sony fanboys were so quick to dismiss graphical prowess when the sony platform was clearly inferior, as opposed to now, where all people hear is, "wait until blank game and you'll see the true power of ps3 and its cell". The truth is graphics are nice, but they dont make the game, they compliment it. and like aussiegecko said: "its just a marketing gib".

Which ever system is graphically superior is only slightly superior, not 1-2 generations superior. BTW, when looking at pure specs, 360 slightly edges ps3...sooo quit the trolling u tarts

And yet ps3 game stand out more in graphic department such as Uncharted 1 and 2 KZ2 GT5 MGS4 and heavyrain.

 

 

 Lol, wow, you name 3 games that aren't even out yet first of all. Secondly, your argument is flawed, it's subjective to time, meaning the ps3 and 360 are gonna continue to top each other until next gen, mgs4 was the best looking console game this gen until gears 2 came out and then gears was topped by killzone 2. Maybe this time next year it'll b a 360 game or another ps3 game. And on multiplats, games generally look better on 360, not that it matters, its bs, the difference is so slight 99% of people cant appreciate it. Again, graphics don't mean better, as i'm sure YOU preached last generation so start judging games and systems as a whole (game quality being more important) and not cherry picking what u believe to be ur prefered platforms strength.



dcIKeeL on 17 May 2009
headshot91 said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:
dcIKeeL said:
twingo said:
360 cant run the same amount of physics PS3 can, it cant have worlds as big/detailed.

 

 I'm soooo tired of this nonsense!! Do you sony drones truly believe that in the same generation 1 particular system is so advanced that whole games can't be replicated on the competition? Especially since the core technology for both systems is the SAME because, gee idk, they were developed by the SAME GUY!!?!?

Besides, last gen, all you sony fanboys were so quick to dismiss graphical prowess when the sony platform was clearly inferior, as opposed to now, where all people hear is, "wait until blank game and you'll see the true power of ps3 and its cell". The truth is graphics are nice, but they dont make the game, they compliment it. and like aussiegecko said: "its just a marketing gib".

Which ever system is graphically superior is only slightly superior, not 1-2 generations superior. BTW, when looking at pure specs, 360 slightly edges ps3...sooo quit the trolling u tarts

And yet ps3 game stand out more in graphic department such as Uncharted 1 and 2 KZ2 GT5 MGS4 and heavyrain.

 

First of all i think twingo is right about the physics area, ps3 is more avanced in that respect than the 360. no need to call him a sony drone.

You are misguided when looking at pure specs as apart from being , i think, quite subjective, on the technical aspects anyway, when looking at what you get in the actual console e.g. wifi, blu ray player, internet etc, the ps3 trumps the 360 in that repect. PLus the 7 spe's do mean that ps3 is better than the 360 for physics programs. You stop trolling eh?

 

You sir, are retarded. Where does this come from: when looking at what you get in the actual console e.g. wifi, blu ray player, internet etc, the ps3 trumps the 360 in that repect. PLus the 7 spe's do mean that ps3 is better than the 360 for physics programs. Whose talking about console value?? My comment and this thread is strictly about graphical power, and when i say specs i mean the 360's and ps3's respective technological specifications, as in bandwith, memory distribution, processing power, etc...understand? And having more spe's does not  deem it superior, as whats more important than the number of units, is each units efficiency at doing what they do and they're respective limitations and overall limits when looked at as a whole. I understand you'd jump of a bridge for some company who doesnt give 2 tarts what u want and therefore felt the need to state a completely irrelevant comment (which i agree with) about console value in order to gain what u perceived to be an upperhand, but guess what? You, heard about trolling, yes, no? Look it up, ur it!

 



Megadude on 17 May 2009

PS3 is, has been and always will be more powerful then the 360. End the hysteria already. Even MS themselves have said the PS3 is more powerful- "but 360 has better games".

This is why X-Bots are going nuts right now. Because in 2007 if someone said: "PS3 is more powerful then 360" then they could confidently say "360 has better games".

Now that PS3 has the bluray, better game lineup and better online it's ok to be a little bitter.