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dahuman on 17 May 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
dahuman said:
lets get back on track a little =), I think this game looks very interesting, and we all know the PS3 is more powerful already, though it's debatable whether or not a game of this type would require that much power where the 360 can't be made to work with it(I think it can, would just be done differently,) although it really doesn't matter since it's an exclusive. the real questions left now are, game play, and story. I don't think the story will be bad since this game is focused on that, but I personally hope the game play won't be a crap load of quick time events like what the preview videos have shown or I'll have to shoot babies.

 

The developers have already explained this in countless interviews. The game will not be all quick time events. THe game's real gameplay is surrounded by the ability to interact with anything and everything. Each particular object in the game has been modeled seperately and is fully intereactable in some way shape or form. The game is suppose to be able to react to what the gamer's own personal plan of action would be. If you tried to open the front door and it was locked, you can go around back, grab a trashcan, then use it to boost you to a window for safe entry. This is the type of game Heavy Rain will be. THe plot has not been revealed in any shape or form, but my geuss is that is will be grand in it's execution.

THe hard part for this game, as impressive as the game visuals are, is not it's graphics. It is the tedious and calculating process of being able to react with EVERYTHING. THIS is why the game pushes far beyond what he 360 is capable of.

 

I hope it turns out to be what you are describing, so far I've been let down quiet a bit when it comes to the promises of the PS3(I don't think the 360 is better, but Sony and their exclusive devs promised so much,) I haven't seen any title that's truly impressive to me so far. I hope it will turn out well.



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Jboy0990 on 17 May 2009
Squilliam said:
If this game sells badly, as in under or around a million, I doubt that people will really care.

 

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forevercloud3000 on 17 May 2009
dahuman said:
forevercloud3000 said:
dahuman said:
lets get back on track a little =), I think this game looks very interesting, and we all know the PS3 is more powerful already, though it's debatable whether or not a game of this type would require that much power where the 360 can't be made to work with it(I think it can, would just be done differently,) although it really doesn't matter since it's an exclusive. the real questions left now are, game play, and story. I don't think the story will be bad since this game is focused on that, but I personally hope the game play won't be a crap load of quick time events like what the preview videos have shown or I'll have to shoot babies.

 

The developers have already explained this in countless interviews. The game will not be all quick time events. THe game's real gameplay is surrounded by the ability to interact with anything and everything. Each particular object in the game has been modeled seperately and is fully intereactable in some way shape or form. The game is suppose to be able to react to what the gamer's own personal plan of action would be. If you tried to open the front door and it was locked, you can go around back, grab a trashcan, then use it to boost you to a window for safe entry. This is the type of game Heavy Rain will be. THe plot has not been revealed in any shape or form, but my geuss is that is will be grand in it's execution.

THe hard part for this game, as impressive as the game visuals are, is not it's graphics. It is the tedious and calculating process of being able to react with EVERYTHING. THIS is why the game pushes far beyond what he 360 is capable of.

 

I hope it turns out to be what you are describing, so far I've been let down quiet a bit when it comes to the promises of the PS3(I don't think the 360 is better, but Sony and their exclusive devs promised so much,) I haven't seen any title that's truly impressive to me so far. I hope it will turn out well.

such as?

 



      

      

      

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dahuman on 17 May 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
dahuman said:
forevercloud3000 said:
dahuman said:
lets get back on track a little =), I think this game looks very interesting, and we all know the PS3 is more powerful already, though it's debatable whether or not a game of this type would require that much power where the 360 can't be made to work with it(I think it can, would just be done differently,) although it really doesn't matter since it's an exclusive. the real questions left now are, game play, and story. I don't think the story will be bad since this game is focused on that, but I personally hope the game play won't be a crap load of quick time events like what the preview videos have shown or I'll have to shoot babies.

 

The developers have already explained this in countless interviews. The game will not be all quick time events. THe game's real gameplay is surrounded by the ability to interact with anything and everything. Each particular object in the game has been modeled seperately and is fully intereactable in some way shape or form. The game is suppose to be able to react to what the gamer's own personal plan of action would be. If you tried to open the front door and it was locked, you can go around back, grab a trashcan, then use it to boost you to a window for safe entry. This is the type of game Heavy Rain will be. THe plot has not been revealed in any shape or form, but my geuss is that is will be grand in it's execution.

THe hard part for this game, as impressive as the game visuals are, is not it's graphics. It is the tedious and calculating process of being able to react with EVERYTHING. THIS is why the game pushes far beyond what he 360 is capable of.

 

I hope it turns out to be what you are describing, so far I've been let down quiet a bit when it comes to the promises of the PS3(I don't think the 360 is better, but Sony and their exclusive devs promised so much,) I haven't seen any title that's truly impressive to me so far. I hope it will turn out well.

such as?

 

The amount of emphasis on graphics and physics, basically how a game looks, rather than being truly innovative, I'm talking Sony first party here(and most 3rd party,) LBP is pretty good, but I don't really touch that anymore either. it's most likely just my personal opinion, I'm sure many people don't feel the same way. I'm pretty much feeling the same thing laffer is in other words.



forevercloud3000 on 17 May 2009

^@Dahuman
The main thing Sony is always boasting about is their console's power. THey boast about it's graphical prowess(proven by Killzone 2, Uncharted, and Heavy Rain), the amount of characters capable on screen at one time(proven by Heavenly Sword, Resistance 2,MAG), the amount of tiny details that make all the difference in a game(proven by Uncharted's fluid animations, MGS4's attention to detail, LBP's massive creative ability).

I don't think it is fair nor reasonable to say they disappointed you with all their boasting IF they indeed did what they said they were going to do. Whether you actually have the most fun with the game or not is completely irrelevant but understandable.



      

      

      

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dahuman on 17 May 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
^@Dahuman
The main thing Sony is always boasting about is their console's power. THey boast about it's graphical prowess(proven by Killzone 2, Uncharted, and Heavy Rain), the amount of characters capable on screen at one time(proven by Heavenly Sword, Resistance 2,MAG), the amount of tiny details that make all the difference in a game(proven by Uncharted's fluid animations, MGS4's attention to detail, LBP's massive creative ability).

I don't think it is fair nor reasonable to say they disappointed you with all their boasting IF they indeed did what they said they were going to do. Whether you actually have the most fun with the game or not is completely irrelevant but understandable.

 

well, I'll just say that I'm waiting on Heavy Rain to see what's up, that's the only thing that looks impressive to me thus far outside of FF13, rest is really just all personal preference. I think being a PC gamer has something to do with how I feel but that's not really fair tbh.



dcIKeeL on 17 May 2009
twingo said:
360 cant run the same amount of physics PS3 can, it cant have worlds as big/detailed.

 

 I'm soooo tired of this nonsense!! Do you sony drones truly believe that in the same generation 1 particular system is so advanced that whole games can't be replicated on the competition? Especially since the core technology for both systems is the SAME because, gee idk, they were developed by the SAME GUY!!?!?

Besides, last gen, all you sony fanboys were so quick to dismiss graphical prowess when the sony platform was clearly inferior, as opposed to now, where all people hear is, "wait until blank game and you'll see the true power of ps3 and its cell". The truth is graphics are nice, but they dont make the game, they compliment it. and like aussiegecko said: "its just a marketing gib".

Which ever system is graphically superior is only slightly superior, not 1-2 generations superior. BTW, when looking at pure specs, 360 slightly edges ps3...sooo quit the trolling u tarts



NightAntilli on 17 May 2009

What a discussion... Anyway.. I'm only gonna point a few things out..

The PS3 has a big limit in memory bandwidth while the X360 does not have that problem (basically it has "unlimited" bandwidth), and that is where the X360 has a very big advantage. So that person who said that the PS3 memory is superior is simply wrong. That's the main reason the PS3 can't emulate PS2 games on a software basis because the PS2 did have "unlimited" memory bandwidth..

I saw some arguments that developers develop on the weaker platform so that it works on the other platform, and according to him, the weaker platform was the X360. Well how about this?
Mirror's Edge:
Lead platform = PS3 (according to the analogy of that person, the PS3 is the weaker platform)
PS3 & X360 resolution=720p
PS3 AA = no AA
X360 AA = 2x AA
I guess we can throw that out the window. And oyeah, check this out:
http://kotaku.com/5160621/midway-dev-explains-why-ps3-development-is-a-pain-in-the-ass

The most important line in that link was: Anyone making a game, if you're going to make it for both [360 and PS3], just lead on the PS3 because if it works on the PS3 it'll work on 360.

And oooooooooh i really love how this shows how much stronger the PS3 is than the X360:
http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/exclusive-resident-evil-5-anti-aliasing-comparison


Now I'm not trying to say the X360 is more powerful than the PS3, just disproving other people's crap they talk.

About Heavy Rain not being possible on the X360, first of all, you can't claim that without even working properly with the system, 2nd the X360 is still easier for developers because "general" engines like UE3 work fine on it, and that makes developers lazy because they want to use those engines, and it would be too hard to create Heavy Rain for the X360 with UE3, instead of making a whole new engine for it like they did for the PS3. They probably don't want to spend the money and time making a whole new engine for another console since the PS3 engine won't work with the X360... THAT is the reason, it has nothing to do with either console being weaker or stronger.



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XxXProphecyXxX on 17 May 2009
dcIKeeL said:
twingo said:
360 cant run the same amount of physics PS3 can, it cant have worlds as big/detailed.

 

 I'm soooo tired of this nonsense!! Do you sony drones truly believe that in the same generation 1 particular system is so advanced that whole games can't be replicated on the competition? Especially since the core technology for both systems is the SAME because, gee idk, they were developed by the SAME GUY!!?!?

Besides, last gen, all you sony fanboys were so quick to dismiss graphical prowess when the sony platform was clearly inferior, as opposed to now, where all people hear is, "wait until blank game and you'll see the true power of ps3 and its cell". The truth is graphics are nice, but they dont make the game, they compliment it. and like aussiegecko said: "its just a marketing gib".

Which ever system is graphically superior is only slightly superior, not 1-2 generations superior. BTW, when looking at pure specs, 360 slightly edges ps3...sooo quit the trolling u tarts

And yet ps3 game stand out more in graphic department such as Uncharted 1 and 2 KZ2 GT5 MGS4 and heavyrain.

 



NightAntilli on 17 May 2009

That's because the PS3 is mainly a brag platform.. No offense.



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