http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/14/obama.military.tribunal/index.html
Yep. The new prez keeps looking more and more like the old prez.
I also find it a little odd that he put the brakes on exposing more terrorist treatment information, right after he realized his party was starting to look bad as well.
Funny how that works.
"Obama suspended the military commissions by signing an executive order on his third day in office, the same day he signed an order closing the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo, and said his administration would conduct a 120-day review of the process. That review comes due next week."
I'm not going to jump to conclusions yet in that case, ask me again next week
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I'll be f**king outraged if he withdraws from closing guantanamo
One important qualifier:
"The administration officials stressed that the updated system will include expanded due-process rights for the suspects, which administration officials note is consistent with what Obama pushed for as a senator in 2006 in order to improve upon the widely criticized approach created by the Bush administration."
I don't agree with this decision, but at least the majority of the detainees have been released or tried already. The government had to let a ton of them go under Bush simply because they had almost nothing to hold them on. I honestly think there are only around 100 even left.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
I will say Bush did Obama a real disfavor by not taking care of Gitmo.
There is no excuse for the majority of them not to have been tried and executed by now.
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
| akuma587 said: One important qualifier: "The administration officials stressed that the updated system will include expanded due-process rights for the suspects, which administration officials note is consistent with what Obama pushed for as a senator in 2006 in order to improve upon the widely criticized approach created by the Bush administration." I don't agree with this decision, but at least the majority of the detainees have been released or tried already. The government had to let a ton of them go under Bush simply because they had almost nothing to hold them on. I honestly think there are only around 100 even left. |
Akuma587 from the waterboarding thread: "So...being better than Russia on human rights means something? That's like saying you are less crooked than Richard Nixon."
Interesting when you compare US interrogation techniques to other countries, it means nothing that we do something less cruel, but when the president you like does something less cruel then the president you don’t like, all the sudden it means everything.
| akuma587 said:I honestly think there are only around 100 even left. |
There are approximately 240 detainees currently detained at Guantanamo.
While this decision will undoubtedly anger those who desire to end the commissions, there are two major policies that have been reversed from the Bush commissions that should mollify them: disallowing the use of hearsay evidence unless the source is proved to be reliable, and prohibiting the use of evidence obtained through "enhanced interrogation techniques." While my initial reaction is disappointment, I am reserving criticism until the Obama administration releases which trials are going to commence under the new rules.
TheRealMafoo said:
Akuma587 from the waterboarding thread: "So...being better than Russia on human rights means something? That's like saying you are less crooked than Richard Nixon." Interesting when you compare US interrogation techniques to other countries, it means nothing that we do something less cruel, but when the president you like does something less cruel then the president you don’t like, all the sudden it means everything. |
Maybe you missed the part of my post where I said: "I don't agree with this decision."
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| akuma587 said: Maybe you missed the part of my post where I said: "I don't agree with this decision."
|
I got that part, I was just pointing out the first paragraph seems to somehow claim it better then what we had, when your view before was a better “bad”, is no better at all.
Just pointing out your lack of consistency when arguing an issue. But hey, you’re a lawyer in training. That’s your job. Wining is more important than being right in your chosen profession.
TheRealMafoo said:
I got that part, I was just pointing out the first paragraph seems to somehow claim it better then what we had, when your view before was a better “bad”, is no better at all. |
Its really hard to take anything you say seriously when you were unapologetically criticizing Obama since before he got into office up until now. I'll say it when I disagree with him (not releasing detainee photos, this decision, some of the bankruptcy decisions involving the auto companies, etc.), but I am a hypocrite if I talk about the actual effect that decision will have? That's just analyzing cause and effect. I don't think I have heard you say one positive thing about Obama.
I complimented Bush for things he did right. 1) TARP, 2) Giving loans to the auto companies, 3) designating additional land before he left office as nationally protected land, 4) not abusing his pardon power (both during and when he was leaving office), 5) sending additional aid to Africa (a few questionable strings attached, but on the whole a good move), 6) canning Karl Rove, 7) canning Rumsfeld, 8) canning (two) Attorney Generals who abused their power, 9) admitting he did some stupid things before he left office 10) making a smooth transition from his presidency to Obama's presidency, and 11) not going on the attack after he left office like Cheney.
I mean seriously, you have an unhealthy obsession with criticizing Obama. You can be as bad as halogamer and tyrannical sometimes. I may not have liked a lot of the things Bush did, but it could have been much worse, and he did some things I agree with. Simply because someone does something you don't agree with doesn't mean they are wrong for doing it. There isn't one right way to solve a given problem. You like to think you have a mature perspective on the world, but frankly you often act like a child. Every thread you create is pretty much you throwing a temper tantrum.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| akuma587 said: I don't think I have heard you say one positive thing about Obama. |
How’s that?
I do not have an “unhealthy obsession with criticizing Obama”, I just want the America our forefathers envisioned back. The country that people used to love, and the world envied. No president in my lifetime has worked towards that goal. All of them were power hungry, and thought governments job was to control its people. Not to just protect them.
Aside from Ron Paul, I would be equally critical about the other 20 people who ran for office against Obama.
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