| kowenicki said: @cgi Lets ask a different querstion then... I'll pay along for a bit... IF the 360 is perceived by Jo Average as a shooterbox, what is the PS3 perceived as? |
To the average consumers, overpriced. To Sony fanboys, the greatest console eva. To me, a great media system that will go down as one of the most controversal systems released. That is including the Dreamcast...
I'm just saying...
| kowenicki said: @cgi Lets ask a different querstion then... I'll pay along for a bit... IF the 360 is perceived by Jo Average as a shooterbox, what is the PS3 perceived as? |
In America 360 is a shooter box and PS3 still has no good games to justify $400.
Of course both are wrong.
| krimoz911 said: I think you're doing it wrong , what you should have done is taken all the sales of all the games exclusive or not, categorize them into thier respective genres adding thier sales, and then divide each figure by the number of consoles sold. Tedious I know, but your current analysis give all games equal weights, so it doesn't show for example the fact that roughly 1 out of 3 360 owners has a copy of halo3. It's not the number games, it's the attach rate of each genre that counts. |
Not having Halo 3 for your 360 is like not having Mario on your Nintendo system... >_> does that mean I'm a weirdo(with the exception of Mario 3.. and that was acquired from a drug dealers house who go busted... along with a NES)
Haha Sony got too many shooters. Left4Dead ftw though. PC top games are shooters too.
| Dodece said: @Reasonable I see your viewpoint, but popular misconception isn't an argument for the continued existence of outdated slurs. The popular misconception also says the PS3 doesn't have any games, has a lot of delayed ports, and is a failure of a console. That has not translated into the liberty for members on these forums to say things like the PS3 has no games, or to call the console the Delaystation. Moderators have asked that members no longer use them, because they are firstly not as true as they were at one time, and secondly that they are only incendiary. This holds true for Shooter box as well as the others. The label just doesn't have a basis in reality. The original poster is just asking that the same consideration be extended. When the 360 fans are not permitted to use slurs. Why are other fans being permitted to do so. Being on the losing side does not excuse you from behaving in a civil manner, or from using blatant propaganda. |
I agree with you in terms of people who should know better, posting on the forums, etc. I'm just pointing out that outdated misconceptions take a long time to disappear.
The PS3 is still seen by many as having a weak library or terrible ports. The Wii is seem by many as for families/kids only, etc.
I made it clear in my post it didn't excuse things, but on the other hand there's no point ignoring how long perceptions take to change.
Oh, and kowenicki, I do think I was perfectly reasonable. I made it clear I didn't see the 360 as a shooter console, but so far as I can see many people do and the general perception seems to skew that way. I'm happy to be proven wrong but I'd argue it does have that image - note I'm talking image, not reality.
You and Doece have made good points - I was just responding by noting that market perception is a fickle beast and slow to change and that early perceptions stick. For example I just noticed that VG247 has yet again called out as news Halo 3's triumphant place at top of Live charts - what image do you think that reinforces?
The PS3 I believe is still seen as too expensive because you have to get BR too. It's still seen as being weaker in the library department, although that is clearly changing as these days a casual stroll of a store shows almost identical titles for each ( the few exclusives that really stand out aside). I think that many see it as also being somewhat shooter centric (an image mistake on Sony's part I believe, overly focusing on titles vs what they saw as 360 strengths and too slow to broaden their catalogue).
Like everything I can only go on the general perceptions I see given on internet, by marketing and in surrounding comments. I certainly have the perception that the 360 is still seen as being shooter centric. I haven't really sensed that it is seen as just another console now. Why do you think it is? What do you feel has changed and why?
I still observe teenagers / young adults happily extrolling its virtues for online shooters and hacks in CoD4 or buying it to play shooters first and foremost . I don't see / hear older gamers seeming that interested in general - they seem to lean to PS3 so far as I can observe. I don't observe younger kids wanting one for Banjo, etc. - they want a Wii or PS3 to play R&C, etc. that is familar from PS2.
Like I say I'm not claiming as a fact 360 is perceived as shooter centric, but I see little evidence it isn't and plenty it still is. Just walking in a game store almost every banner, etc. for 360 pushes the latest big shooter or GTA or reprises iconic Halo/Gears images, etc. I never see a big, consistent message that 360 is for movies, or family games, etc.
Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...
most people on my live list are almost always on either gears, L4D, halo, cod. when i log on.
but i dunno if 360 is a shooterbox its sure thought as one though, mainly because xbox fans like shooters more.
either way makes no difference to me.
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Honestly, besides sony fanboys & PC fanboys who says this?
I for one have't heard anyone call the 360 the FPS console, infact i've been hearing its the RPG console alot more.
Flamebait thread... >_>
| Dodece said: @WereKitten Unfortunately your defending a bad argument for a title when there is a far better title to be found statistically. The 360 is less a shooter box then it is the role playing box. Let us return to the numbers, and I will show you a quantifiable difference that exists between the platforms. PS3 role playing titles 12, 2.5% of library, total sales 3.78mil, 3% of title sales. X360 role playing titles 23, 3.7% of library, total sales 17.44mil, 7.5% of title sales. The 360 has almost twice the number of titles, has sold four and a half times the number of copies. The genre accounts for more then twice what it does on the PS3. This is a significant statistical difference. One that may be worthy of a title of acknowledgment. The reason that the shooter box label is still making the circuit is for no reason other then it being used as a slur. The members that use it think it is derogatory. They will never refer to the 360 as the role playing box, because that is not a slur to them. In fact it is a positive statement. So they will continue you to use a very negative statement that is not even half as true as the positive one. This debate is inspiring me to go create a label for the PS3 supported by this very statistical data. Maybe we can go the PS3 the fishing box, or maybe the bowling box. We simply must create a new insult. |
Uhm, you're addressing the wrong person, here :) I didn't defend any title, I merely pointed out bad statistics and a flawed argument. I even suggested the right question anybody can ask to kill the trite stereotype of the "shooter box", and the reasonable answer.
But do go on: in prestidigitation it's called "misdirection", it's funny and it's half of the show :)
Time to prove why this thread fails and hard:
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=72288
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UU’s) May 4th
1 Halo 3-Shooter
2 Call of Duty: WaW-Shooter
3 Call of Duty 4-Shooter
4 Gears of War 2-Shooter
5 UFC® 2009 Undisputed Demo
6 GTA IV
7 FIFA 09
8 Left 4 Dead-Shooter
9 Fallout 3
10 RESIDENT EVIL 5-Shooter
Even the ones that aren't shooters have a lot of shooting in them (Fallout 3, GTA 4)
Leaving FIFA and UFC as the only games that don't involve heavy shooting.
| kowenicki said: reasonable posters would just say (as some have)... "some people still call it that but it isnt valid this gen" Anyway... its been fun... i'm off to keep on ploughing through LO... thats the best JRPG this gen by the way.... exclusively on the 360.  |
Still not the best JRPG this gen, still average at best, still 360 exclusive
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