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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6256679.ece

N African in Paris is appealing to his countrymen to stay at home rather than risk their lives attempting to break into “fortress Europe”, where, he says, they will be miserable.

Omar Ba, from Senegal, in west Africa, says Europe is not the promised land imagined by Africans; instead it is almost impossible to find a job or somewhere to live and people are unfriendly to foreigners.

“I came in search of happiness,” said Ba, 28, in a cafe in Paris last week. “I found solitude and depression.”

“If Africa provided just a minimum for its people, do you think so many would leave?” he said.

The only white people he had encountered before reaching Europe in 2001 on an overloaded canoe were tourists on Senegal’s beaches. “They were joyful and seemed to spend money without counting,” he writes. “They inspired me with envy and fascination.”

He was shocked to discover that some Europeans were homeless, poor and sick. Worst of all, they did not want to know him, particularly the attractive young women he had dreamt of meeting. “People avoided me,” writes Ba, who managed to enrol as a sociology student at the University of Saint-Etienne. “I made beautiful girls flee; to think that when I arrived I fantasised about having an affair with some ravishing blonde who would give me mixed-race children.”

“This migratory wave is draining Africa of its lifeblood,” he writes. “I want young Africans to listen to reason. Europe is not worth risking their life for. There they will find only suffering and failure.”



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

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You edited the article. Secondly, this is ridiculous and a sad sign of what Murdoch has done to the Times newspaper, one of the former best newspapers ever.

This just further perpetuates the racist stereotypes that people sometimes think about immigrants.

This quote, "I fantasised about having an affair with some ravishing blonde who would give me mixed-race children”, makes me want to punch this journalist in the face for publishing it. What is this, the 1950's again?



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Whats with the complaining



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Europe is probably a guarantee of a better life than anywhere in Africa.

Besides if you are going to travel to a continent by yourself with no prospects or friends of course it is going to be hard and you will experience a lot of solitude. For everyone else Europe is a brilliant, rich, liberal place with a very high quality of life and tonnes of freedoms and an unrivaled diversity of culture.

I love Europe, best continent EVER



megaman79 said:
You edited the article. Secondly, this is ridiculous and a sad sign of what Murdoch has done to the Times newspaper, one of the former best newspapers ever.

This just further perpetuates the racist stereotypes that people sometimes think about immigrants.

This quote, "I fantasised about having an affair with some ravishing blonde who would give me mixed-race children”, makes me want to punch this journalist in the face for publishing it. What is this, the 1950's again?

This.

Murdoch ruins good papers by making journalists write this crap. Anyone who takes it seriously is a fool, unfortunately many do.

 

Anyway. Yeah I checked and Tyrannical you have edited the story to make Europe sound like a cess pool of crap like you always do. You seem to think everyone who lives outside of conservative America is a terrorist who sits in a ditch poking dead animals with sticks and planning to attack america. Well it's not the case at all, Europe is an amazing place to live with real culture.

Here is the unedited article guys.

Migrant warns Africans off ‘misery’ Europe

AN African in Paris is appealing to his countrymen to stay at home rather than risk their lives attempting to break into “fortress Europe”, where, he says, they will be miserable.

Omar Ba, from Senegal, in west Africa, says Europe is not the promised land imagined by Africans; instead it is almost impossible to find a job or somewhere to live and people are unfriendly to foreigners.

“I came in search of happiness,” said Ba, 28, in a cafe in Paris last week. “I found solitude and depression.”

He is luckier than most because his book I Came, I Saw, I Believe No More has turned the child of impoverished smoked-fish sellers into a minor celebrity and has put a human face on the plight of African “boat people”.

Ba, who grew up in a former leper colony, blames bad government in Africa rather than Europe’s immigration policies for the tragic deaths at sea of thousands of would-be immigrants in recent years. “If Africa provided just a minimum for its people, do you think so many would leave?” he said.

They are lured to Europe by hopes of prosperity drummed into them from an early age by a society reliant on remittances from overseas workers. Yet Ba soon discovered Europe was not the paradise that his family and teachers had promised.

The only white people he had encountered before reaching Europe in 2001 on an overloaded canoe were tourists on Senegal’s beaches. “They were joyful and seemed to spend money without counting,” he writes. “They inspired me with envy and fascination.”

He was shocked to discover that some Europeans were homeless, poor and sick. Worst of all, they did not want to know him, particularly the attractive young women he had dreamt of meeting. “People avoided me,” writes Ba, who managed to enrol as a sociology student at the University of Saint-Etienne. “I made beautiful girls flee; to think that when I arrived I fantasised about having an affair with some ravishing blonde who would give me mixed-race children.”

If Europe is difficult for the natives, it is much tougher for immigrants, he writes. Even those who have lived in France for three decades are “piled up on top of each other in insalubrious apartment blocks”. Ba found a room but knew another immigrant who lived in a telephone booth. He often had to beg and rummage in bins. The only jobs on offer were sweeping streets or washing dishes and that was before the global financial meltdown.

“So now a lot of immigrants are homeless, they are turning to drink and crime,” writes Ba, who spent two years at a restaurant sink before getting a job at a charity. He notes that employment does not seem to make people less miserable: “Before stepping on European soil, I never knew what stress was . . . in Africa it is impossible to have a salary at the end of the month and be depressed.”

African immigrants prefer to perpetuate the myth about the good life, even if it means incurring debt to send money home to relatives who treat them as cash cows. “It is a matter of honour,” writes Ba. “We do not want to admit failure. The family would not accept it.”

Many new immigrants find their main contact in Europe (a friend or relative who had promised to host them in style) mysteriously vanishes when they arrive. Yet nothing seems to damp the Africans’ overwhelming desire for Europe, not even the “rotting bodies that wash up on beaches” with horrific regularity.

Ba finds the human toll particularly shocking – his first experience of death was in a swell off the coast of Morocco. Another canoe had collided with a larger vessel and although they managed to pull the survivors on board, Ba will never forget the sight of his drowned compatriots.

In the Canary Islands he told the authorities nothing, following the instructions of the trafficker who had organised his boat ride. “If they don’t know which country you come from, it is impossible for them to send you home,” he explains.

After two months in a “retention centre”, he was put on a flight to Barcelona. From there he hitched a lift to France in a refrigerated lorry and almost froze to death. He is no longer an illegal: after being expelled from France in 2002, he returned on a student visa. Yet he is thinking of going home, perhaps to work as a teacher like some of his eight siblings. He hopes others might follow his example and return to a country that needs them.

“This migratory wave is draining Africa of its lifeblood,” he writes. “I want young Africans to listen to reason. Europe is not worth risking their life for. There they will find only suffering and failure.”



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I didn't edit the article, reword anything,  nor did I take any quote out of context. I just didn't cut and paste the entire thing, which I why I provide a link to the story at the top. I don't think I even reordered the article.

The only editing I did was to extract the direct quote from the below and concentrate on his direct quotes in general.
"Ba, who grew up in a former leper colony, blames bad government in Africa rather than Europe’s immigration policies for the tragic deaths at sea of thousands of would-be immigrants in recent years. “If Africa provided just a minimum for its people, do you think so many would leave?” he said."



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Good. Immigrants should go back where they came from, England/Europe does not want you. If I could I would build a big wall with anti-immigrant weapon turrets.



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NintendoMan said:
Good. Immigrants should go back where they came from, England/Europe does not want you. If I could I would build a big wall with anti-immigrant weapon turrets.

 

Are you serious... Hey I'm going to be an immigrant and a few years, you know? That's really not a nice thing to say. -__-'

W/e *ignores him*. I find this article quite sad in many ways... But I heard France wasn't the best place for immigrants to be at... Maybe he should have gone to another country. *Shrugs*



So, France = Europe?



SamuelRSmith said:
So, France = Europe?

Yeah... I mean he'd have better luck if he moved to another Europeon country.  France is like the most racist country in the EU.

 

For example the UK has the same ratio of unemployment between whites and minorties as the US does with Whites and African Americans.

France is just.... a poor choice.

I guess the problem is that Senegal is one of the many African countries where the people speak french as their main language due to colonization... so it's the "best" place for him to go to understand people.