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TheRealMafoo on 09 May 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:

Oh gawd.

Since when has jail time stopped people from doing some things? Heck, not even death penalty dissuades people from commiting murder. If you think jail time will persuade people to experience a huge hit on their numbers as they have to hire citizens instead of inmigrants you are delluded.

By the way, minors can get all the alcohol they want. Despite the fines and jail penalties.

 

That's different. Crime is usually one of morality, and jail does not change ones morals. This is business. Most people who hire illegals, do so to save money. If they thought they would have to pay there HR rep while he/she was in jail, and figure out how to conduct business without them, suddenly the cost benefit ration would not look so good.

That said, I am against jail time. The laws we have in place are good enough. We just need to enforce them. Check out how many companies in California have been punished for hiring illegals. You will be shocked to see how low that number is.



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akuma587 on 09 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
MontanaHatchet said:

Yay, it's not as bad as it was a couple of months ago!

 

It's worse then it was a couple months ago. The rate of change is less, but it's still worse.

I will use the analogy I used a while ago. It's like your house flooding, and two hours ago the water rose a foot an hour, but last hour it rose 6 inches.

That's not getting better, only worse slower.

The markets seemed pretty happy about it:

http://www.cnn.com/

+164.80
(+1.92%)
Dow 8,574.65
+22.76
(+1.33%)
Nasdaq 1,739.00
+21.84
(+2.41%)
S&P 929.23

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

TheRealMafoo on 09 May 2009
akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
MontanaHatchet said:

Yay, it's not as bad as it was a couple of months ago!

 

It's worse then it was a couple months ago. The rate of change is less, but it's still worse.

I will use the analogy I used a while ago. It's like your house flooding, and two hours ago the water rose a foot an hour, but last hour it rose 6 inches.

That's not getting better, only worse slower.

The markets seemed pretty happy about it:

http://www.cnn.com/

+164.80
(+1.92%)
Dow 8,574.65
+22.76
(+1.33%)
Nasdaq 1,739.00
+21.84
(+2.41%)
S&P 929.23

 

 

Yea, there are three major factors as to the health of the country. Unemployment, GDP, and the stock market.

the market is rising, which is good news. It's still way down from where it was, but better is better. I will take what we can get :)



Tyrannical on 09 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

That said, I am against jail time. The laws we have in place are good enough. We just need to enforce them. Check out how many companies in California have been punished for hiring illegals. You will be shocked to see how low that number is.

 

 I know we have good laws in place, and I'm quite sure they do allow for jail time already. I remember as far back as in '99 applying for a job with a temp agency required me to prove I was legaly able to work. This is something they took seriously and was not something they would just let "slide". I'm white and I live in an 97% white state. Odds of a random white person in my state being an illegal from Canada (don't talk like a european) is extremely low. With regards to hispanics living in California, the odds of a random hispanic being unable to work legaly is high enough that it warrants an inspection. So the fact that they can find work shows willful disrespect for the law.

So if I had to prove my right to work in the US, every one else should too.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Words Of Wisdom on 09 May 2009
akuma587 said:
No comments?

The other day I was actually reading how unemployment claims have seen a sharp decrease recently.

Now that reporters aren't spinning those numbers, I suppose they move on to others.

 

Wheel of politics spin spin spin! Give  us more mud to help us win! Woo!



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akuma587 on 09 May 2009

I don't think hoping for the economy to recover is the equivalent of political spinning...



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Bitmap Frogs on 09 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Oh gawd.

Since when has jail time stopped people from doing some things? Heck, not even death penalty dissuades people from commiting murder. If you think jail time will persuade people to experience a huge hit on their numbers as they have to hire citizens instead of inmigrants you are delluded.

By the way, minors can get all the alcohol they want. Despite the fines and jail penalties.

 

That's different. Crime is usually one of morality, and jail does not change ones morals. This is business. Most people who hire illegals, do so to save money. If they thought they would have to pay there HR rep while he/she was in jail, and figure out how to conduct business without them, suddenly the cost benefit ration would not look so good.

That said, I am against jail time. The laws we have in place are good enough. We just need to enforce them. Check out how many companies in California have been punished for hiring illegals. You will be shocked to see how low that number is.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron

Are you ready to argue whitecollar crime does not exist? Because frankly, implying "business" is crime-free is quite the courageous statement. Business involves morals as well and plenty people have ignored both morals and laws in order to pursue bigger profits.





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Bitmap Frogs on 09 May 2009
Tyrannical said:
TheRealMafoo said:

That said, I am against jail time. The laws we have in place are good enough. We just need to enforce them. Check out how many companies in California have been punished for hiring illegals. You will be shocked to see how low that number is.

 With regards to hispanics living in California, the odds of a random hispanic being unable to work legaly is high enough that it warrants an inspection. So the fact that they can find work shows willful disrespect for the law.

 

With regards to negroes living in California, the odds of a random negro being involved in crime is high enough that it warrants an inspection. So the fact they have customers for their illegal business shows willful disrespect for the law.

Be careful with that argument, it can be twisted to justify all kinds of vulnerations of civil rights. 





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TheRealMafoo on 09 May 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Oh gawd.

Since when has jail time stopped people from doing some things? Heck, not even death penalty dissuades people from commiting murder. If you think jail time will persuade people to experience a huge hit on their numbers as they have to hire citizens instead of inmigrants you are delluded.

By the way, minors can get all the alcohol they want. Despite the fines and jail penalties.

 

That's different. Crime is usually one of morality, and jail does not change ones morals. This is business. Most people who hire illegals, do so to save money. If they thought they would have to pay there HR rep while he/she was in jail, and figure out how to conduct business without them, suddenly the cost benefit ration would not look so good.

That said, I am against jail time. The laws we have in place are good enough. We just need to enforce them. Check out how many companies in California have been punished for hiring illegals. You will be shocked to see how low that number is.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron

Are you ready to argue whitecollar crime does not exist? Because frankly, implying "business" is crime-free is quite the courageous statement. Business involves morals as well and plenty people have ignored both morals and laws in order to pursue bigger profits.

 

How in the hell did you get out of my post that I think businesses are crime free? I merely stated that the economic impact of jailing an employee could change the opinion of business to use cheeper labor.

The only reason businesses higher illegal aliens is for the economic advantages. Remove those advantages, and they will stop taking the risk for no gain. 

 



Bitmap Frogs on 09 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Oh gawd.

Since when has jail time stopped people from doing some things? Heck, not even death penalty dissuades people from commiting murder. If you think jail time will persuade people to experience a huge hit on their numbers as they have to hire citizens instead of inmigrants you are delluded.

By the way, minors can get all the alcohol they want. Despite the fines and jail penalties.

 

That's different. Crime is usually one of morality, and jail does not change ones morals. This is business. Most people who hire illegals, do so to save money. If they thought they would have to pay there HR rep while he/she was in jail, and figure out how to conduct business without them, suddenly the cost benefit ration would not look so good.

That said, I am against jail time. The laws we have in place are good enough. We just need to enforce them. Check out how many companies in California have been punished for hiring illegals. You will be shocked to see how low that number is.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron

Are you ready to argue whitecollar crime does not exist? Because frankly, implying "business" is crime-free is quite the courageous statement. Business involves morals as well and plenty people have ignored both morals and laws in order to pursue bigger profits.

 

How in the hell did you get out of my post that I think businesses are crime free? I merely stated that the economic impact of jailing an employee could change the opinion of business to use cheeper labor.

The only reason businesses higher illegal aliens is for the economic advantages. Remove those advantages, and they will stop taking the risk for no gain. 

 

 

Jesus...

There are already such fines: up to 2k per illegal immigrant employed. If it's the second time they catch them, it's up to 5k. For the third and any additional event, the employer can get fined up to 10k per illegal immigrant. On top of that, they also get fined up to 1k per illegal immigrant employed.

Has it dissuaded anyone?

Link to source... http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=c9fef57852dc066cfe16a4cb816838a4





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