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SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:



i didnt say it was charity, i said its helping the same people

most every atheist i know, is a nice person who cares about others, they may not give to charity, but are they lesser people becuase of that? i dont think so, do you?

I do...

though I look down on everybody who has more then just what they need to survive since there are people who don't have enough of things to survive.  (Yes the includes me.)

People who are willing to give up at least a little bit of themselves are better off then those who aren't willing to help out at all... but still largely selfish dicks.

 

 

i do voulanrty work, is that not giving up a bit of myslef to help others?

btw, if not already clear, im an Atheist

It's the same thing as donating money to charity.  That time you are giving up could either have been spent at a job making money or spent on leisure time.

Also... I didn't say atheists don't help charities at all.  Just less then religious people.  Likely because religious people they need to.

That's not why i donate money to charity and do charity work.  But a lot of peopel do charity work because "That's what Jesus would want" or whatever.

Without "It's what jesus would want" would they have developed the motive to give to charity?  Perhaps, perhaps not.  Who knows.

 



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highwaystar101 said:

This video is worth watching if you have ten minutes, it is hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I

Here you go..

 

 



mrstickball said:
SciFi -

Do you realize that the average atheist (and I'm talking the average of the millions that are self-declared atheist) give much less of their time to volunteerism and charitable giving? Just because you do it does not mean your the norm.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that you volunteer, because it's an awesome thing. But you must understand that what you do is well outside the norm of your religion.

 

actually, i dont consider my Atheism a religon, more other a lack of one.

i maybe outside the norm, but some of the posts people make imply that ALL atheists are horrible people who hate the poor, which is just not true at all.

also, there are fewer Atheists in the UK, US and much of Europe than religous people, so naturally they give less, as there are less of them, you also dont know if Atheists do other things to help people, i mean, technically a doctor is helping thoose less fortunate by healing them, the only difference is that its there job and the poor people live in the same nation as them, but its still hepling them, so for 100% accurate statistics, you need to factor in people who do jobs that benefit thoose less fortunate than them.



Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
My impression of Kasz216

Anybody: "Hey, I saw this PBS special on the historical jesus...."

Kasz216: "ATHEISTS ARE LESS CHARITABLE!! I have a chart."

No offense man, I think you're one of the more intelligent people around here, but you like to work that into pretty much any religious conversation. I mean this topic was kind of a stretch.
"I don't understand why anyone would be an atheist."
"They don't donate to charity, that's why!!!"

I mean seriously? Do I look up unflattering statistics about religious people and post them in any topic that has "god" in the first post? At some point you just gotta admit it's in bad taste.

You don't think that not being tied to some third party moral belief code isn't an advantage?

That isn't exactly what you said there.

"On average atheists make more money and donate a smaller percentage of their earnings to charity. So there is quite the financial gain."

I mean that's like if I somebody said "why would somebody believe in god?" and I replied "Because statistically it's more likely you'll use violence to enforce your political views, which is alot easier than through discussion."

I don't have a pie chart for that, nor have I read any studies. But if I brought that into every topic, it would be in poor taste and show that I have a certain disdain or at the very least, lack of respect for a group of people.



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Quickdraw McGraw said:

I can't believe people are using statistics on "amount donated to charities" between these two groups. For starters, correlation does not equal causation. There are so many factors surrounding one's tendency to donation that claiming it relies solely on their spiritual affiliation is appalling.

Secondly, there clearly is an implication that because of this, frankly, bullshit study, that atheists/agnostics are less generous people - which, again, is bullshit.

Statistics mean nothing to the individual.

EDIT: And now some of you are bringing politics into this.
Seriously, that doesn't belong here. Go away.

You'd think that after reading this post, most would have dropped the charity statistics and chest beating.



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If we are allowed to talk about how the average atheist gives less to charity then the average religious person, can we talk about the positive corralation between high IQ and atheism.

Meaning the average atheist is smarter than the average religious person.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23860215-5005361,00.html 



SciFiBoy said:
mrstickball said:
SciFi -

Do you realize that the average atheist (and I'm talking the average of the millions that are self-declared atheist) give much less of their time to volunteerism and charitable giving? Just because you do it does not mean your the norm.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that you volunteer, because it's an awesome thing. But you must understand that what you do is well outside the norm of your religion.

 

actually, i dont consider my Atheism a religon, more other a lack of one.

i maybe outside the norm, but some of the posts people make imply that ALL atheists are horrible people who hate the poor, which is just not true at all.

also, there are fewer Atheists in the UK, US and much of Europe than religous people, so naturally they give less, as there are less of them, you also dont know if Atheists do other things to help people, i mean, technically a doctor is helping thoose less fortunate by healing them, the only difference is that its there job and the poor people live in the same nation as them, but its still hepling them, so for 100% accurate statistics, you need to factor in people who do jobs that benefit thoose less fortunate than them.

The doctor is getting paid right?  Doesn't count.

Also the study for what it's worth works on percentage of income.  The higher percentage of your income you give away the more charitable you are... etc.

 



tombi123 said:
If we are allowed to talk about how the average atheist gives less to charity then the average religious person, can we talk about the positive corralation between high IQ and atheism.

Meaning the average atheist is smarter than the average religious person.

I already mentioned that Atheists make more money.  So I imagine it'd work.

Once again it only makes sense... since you usually have to go out of your way to be an atheist and people with low IQs generally aren't going to go out of there way to do a lot of stuff.



The_vagabond7 said:
mrstickball said:
SciFi -

Do you realize that the average atheist (and I'm talking the average of the millions that are self-declared atheist) give much less of their time to volunteerism and charitable giving? Just because you do it does not mean your the norm.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that you volunteer, because it's an awesome thing. But you must understand that what you do is well outside the norm of your religion.

Do not make me go get my stick.

Atheism is a religion. It still follows the definition of a theistic religion, although being opposed to theism.

Here's M-W.com's definition of religion:

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

What is being religious?

relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

If you are a practicing atheist, your still holding onto a pattern of beliefs, having faith in something (science), and given to it's cause (arguing there is no god). If you look at the word religion, it's a dedication to a pattern of something. Although we perscribe it to a belief in God, that is not the prerequisite for the word.

The opposite of religion wouldn't be someone that is godless, but one that lacks a system of belief (regardless of what that system is), and puts their trust in nothing.



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The_vagabond7 said:
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
My impression of Kasz216

Anybody: "Hey, I saw this PBS special on the historical jesus...."

Kasz216: "ATHEISTS ARE LESS CHARITABLE!! I have a chart."

No offense man, I think you're one of the more intelligent people around here, but you like to work that into pretty much any religious conversation. I mean this topic was kind of a stretch.
"I don't understand why anyone would be an atheist."
"They don't donate to charity, that's why!!!"

I mean seriously? Do I look up unflattering statistics about religious people and post them in any topic that has "god" in the first post? At some point you just gotta admit it's in bad taste.

You don't think that not being tied to some third party moral belief code isn't an advantage?

That isn't exactly what you said there.

"On average atheists make more money and donate a smaller percentage of their earnings to charity. So there is quite the financial gain."

I mean that's like if I somebody said "why would somebody believe in god?" and I replied "Because statistically it's more likely you'll use violence to enforce your political views, which is alot easier than through discussion."

I don't have a pie chart for that, nor have I read any studies. But if I brought that into every topic, it would be in poor taste and show that I have a certain disdain or at the very least, lack of respect for a group of people.

Well first off.  They are two different statements.

1) Atheists make more money.

2) Atheists donate less money to charity.

Which are two financial gains to being an atheist... due to not being tied in to a third party norm system.

Also... both statements are based on studies.