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Kasz216 on 08 May 2009
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Scientists just have faith that Dark Energy exists.  Just how they had faith that certain elements on the periodic table existed before anyone was able to recreate them in a labratory setting.

I know this was a while ago, but faith is not the right word here.  The right word would probably be theory.  They have a theory that dark energy exists.

There isn't really a difference.  I mean... what makes Dark Energy anymore credible then "God is pushing the universe" or "Dark space wind is pushing everything created by a white hole."

Yes, there is a difference between those words.  It may seem subtle, but there is a difference.

You also seem to be getting hung up on the words "dark energy".  We know there is something out there causing these unexplained observable effects.  We happen to call it dark energy.  The name doesn't matter.

No we don't.  We don't know something is out there.  We think something it out there because it fits in to our viewpoint.

There is no difference between Dark Energy and God at this point... or invisible Spagetti monsters pushing things for that matter.

 

That makes no sense.

Yes it does.

We know the universe is expanding faster then normal.   We expect the opposite to be true.

We have no clue what is doing it or why it is happening.  So we dub what is doing it "Dark Energy".

And that's it.  That's all we know about Dark Energy.  Apparently it is causing the universe to expand fast and.... nothing.


Someone could of just as eaisly said "God" is doing it... or Tony Danza for that matter.

Or tiny particles called "Dark Pixe Dust" that use space folding to make everything move faster due to "pixie waves".

For that matter, we don't know what makes gravity work.  You might as well call the God, too.

Yes we do.

GF = (G*m1*m2)/ (D^2)


Mass makes gravity work.

We don't why or how it works.  All that we really know is that objects with more mass have more gravity.

No.  We more or less do.

The "Dark Energy" of Gravity is Gravitons.

 

Gravity is measurable, the expansion of the universe increasing is measurable.

Gravitons and Dark Energy are not... and possibly may not even exist.

In reality a lot of science that we think is concrete... isn't so concrete if these "dark energy" esque things don't end up playing out in reality.  Gravitons, Dark Energy, The mass particle whose name is escaping me.

These things can't be proven yet.



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theRepublic on 08 May 2009

There is plenty we don't know about gravity, but we sort of went off topic.

There is a difference between theory and faith. I'm not sure how to explain it to you, but it bothers me that you can't tell the difference.



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SamuelRSmith on 08 May 2009

I always enjoy it when people write stuff in Latin to make it as if the phrase has any more meaning.



Kasz216 on 08 May 2009
theRepublic said:
There is plenty we don't know about gravity, but we sort of went off topic.

There is a difference between theory and faith. I'm not sure how to explain it to you, but it bothers me that you can't tell the difference.

There is none.  It bothers me that you can't realize that.

Theory is simply trying to fill in the blanks with what seems to make the most sense to you specifically based on the blanks that need to be filled in your scientific model.  It's why different scientists often have different theories until people decide to all agree on one.

At least not those kind of theories that can't actually be tested.

Blindly searching for unknown things that we think must exist is no different.



theRepublic on 08 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
There is plenty we don't know about gravity, but we sort of went off topic.

There is a difference between theory and faith. I'm not sure how to explain it to you, but it bothers me that you can't tell the difference.

There is none.  It bothers me that you can't realize that.

Theory is simply trying to fill in the blanks with what seems to make the most sense to you specifically based on the blanks that need to be filled in your scientific model.  It's why different scientists often have different theories until people decide to all agree on one.

At least not those kind of theories that can't actually be tested.

Maybe the dictionary will help.

Faith - firm belief in something for which there is no proof

Theory - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another



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SciFiBoy on 08 May 2009

im still confused as to how people can be born religous, surely when youre born, you have no belief system?



Kasz216 on 08 May 2009
theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
There is plenty we don't know about gravity, but we sort of went off topic.

There is a difference between theory and faith. I'm not sure how to explain it to you, but it bothers me that you can't tell the difference.

There is none.  It bothers me that you can't realize that.

Theory is simply trying to fill in the blanks with what seems to make the most sense to you specifically based on the blanks that need to be filled in your scientific model.  It's why different scientists often have different theories until people decide to all agree on one.

At least not those kind of theories that can't actually be tested.

Maybe the dictionary will help.

Faith - firm belief in something for which there is no proof

Theory - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

How is there more proof of Dark Energy then God.

How is it anymore likely there is a force of energy pushing everything... rather then an omniscent being pushing it or tiny waves of "space wind" or whatever else.

How are gravity particles anymore likely then little gremlins pulling down things and increasing gravity or just that everyone got their math equations wrong?

Furthermore... what if someone... examining the world comes to the conclusion it was all created by a supreme being?  How is this not a theory?



fmc83 on 08 May 2009
Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
Kasz216 said:
theRepublic said:
There is plenty we don't know about gravity, but we sort of went off topic.

There is a difference between theory and faith. I'm not sure how to explain it to you, but it bothers me that you can't tell the difference.

There is none.  It bothers me that you can't realize that.

Theory is simply trying to fill in the blanks with what seems to make the most sense to you specifically based on the blanks that need to be filled in your scientific model.  It's why different scientists often have different theories until people decide to all agree on one.

At least not those kind of theories that can't actually be tested.

Maybe the dictionary will help.

Faith - firm belief in something for which there is no proof

Theory - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

How is there more proof of Dark Energy then God.

How is it anymore likely there is a force of energy pushing everything... rather then an omniscent being pushing it or tiny waves of "space wind" or whatever else.

How are gravity particles anymore likely then little gremlins pulling down things and increasing gravity or just that everyone got their math equations wrong?

Furthermore... what if someone... examining the world comes to the conclusion it was all created by a supreme being?  How is this not a theory?

 

1. There isn't, but related to other things, there's more evidence for dark energy than for god.

2. Who the hell said, that a force of energy is the final thing pushing things? No one!

3. How is god more likely then little gremlins pulling down things and increasing gravity or just that everyone got their favourite book (which was written 3400-1680 years ago) wrong?

4. If after knowing all the other problems, the beginning of everything is leading there and you get to the final question and then somebody makes plausible through correlation to other things, that there is a supreme being it's not a problem to any scientist at all (well, there'll still be the question left, what was before that supreme being)

 

Even if there is a "supreme being" why the hell should he/she/it give a shit about what I did in my life.

 

 



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GamingChartzFTW on 08 May 2009
SciFiBoy said: im still confused as to how people can be born religous, surely when you're born, you have no belief system?

 

Exactly!

Religious people got some serious explaining to do on that one. That's for sure..

 



SaviorX on 08 May 2009

I don't understand why it is such a problem for people to believe in a God.

Not every religious person is a nutcase, just like every atheist isn't an anarchist.



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