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Nick on 05 May 2009
Vetteman94 said:
Nick said:

You're points are very valid, but unfortunately you're wasting your time.  He'll disregard any logic that you might post.  Just as you illustrated with the 2 sticks and a robotic arm question.  The Wiimote is much much much more similar to holding a gun than dual analog will ever be.  Is it the same as holding a gun?  No.  Is it closer than two joysticks?  Of course.

@Vetteman94  :  "Dont question my maturity level, just because I disagreed with you because you tried to present your opinion as fact."  ---- I question your maturity level because instead of having a discussion you simply attack.

I was having a discussion but you kept talking like the entire gaming industry knows that the Wiimote is the best control scheme for FPS games.  I asked for proof,  you could not give me one.  So I called BS and was saying it was your opinion, thats how it works, dont post something that you cant backup with facts.

 

And you were doing the exact same thing.  Unfortunately nothing is ever really a fact to someone who disagree's with it.  Just like if I said sandpaper is rough you could call that an opinion and say you think it's smooth, but really... it is rough.  I gave you plenty of logical proof, but you can always call it an opinion.  The wiimote is as close to a light gun as any of the consoles offer and light guns are considered (by most) to be great for shooters.  That is an opinion, but also a truth.  They don't put a joystick to control the crosshairs of arcade light gun games for a reason. 

A fact is:  a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true.  That definition makes it a fact in my eyes, even if it's not in yours.  In reality you could say anything is an opinion and be correct.  I understand your position on things and respect it even if I disagree. 

Lets just agree to disagree.

 



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Vetteman94 on 05 May 2009
Nick said:
Vetteman94 said:
Nick said:

You're points are very valid, but unfortunately you're wasting your time.  He'll disregard any logic that you might post.  Just as you illustrated with the 2 sticks and a robotic arm question.  The Wiimote is much much much more similar to holding a gun than dual analog will ever be.  Is it the same as holding a gun?  No.  Is it closer than two joysticks?  Of course.

@Vetteman94  :  "Dont question my maturity level, just because I disagreed with you because you tried to present your opinion as fact."  ---- I question your maturity level because instead of having a discussion you simply attack.

I was having a discussion but you kept talking like the entire gaming industry knows that the Wiimote is the best control scheme for FPS games.  I asked for proof,  you could not give me one.  So I called BS and was saying it was your opinion, thats how it works, dont post something that you cant backup with facts.

 

And you were doing the exact same thing.  Unfortunately nothing is ever really a fact to someone who disagree's with it.  Just like if I said sandpaper is rough you could call that an opinion and say you think it's smooth, but really... it is rough.  I gave you plenty of logical proof, but you can always call it an opinion.  The wiimote is as close to a light gun as any of the consoles offer and light guns are considered (by most) to be great for shooters.  That is an opinion, but also a truth.  They don't put a joystick to control the crosshairs of arcade light gun games for a reason. 

A fact is:  a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true.  In reality you could say anything is an opinion and be correct.  I understand your position on things and respect it even if I disagree. 

Lets just agree to disagree.

 

Sandpaper, thats the analogy you came up with? There you go again saying that everyone knows that the Wiimote is the best controller for gaming, except me. Problem with that is no matter what I said about sandpaper the entire woodworking industry knows that sandpaper is rough.   Nothing like that has ever been established by the gaming industry for the Wiimote.  You logic was full of holes, expecially since I mentioned that I had experience with the Wiimote but you didn like that I disagreed with your statement.

So all I am going to say is,  please stop treating the Wiimote like everyone in the gaming industry knows that Wiimote is the best for FPS games.  The day it happens post the article, and i will apologize, but until then.....

I'm done



Christopher_G2 on 05 May 2009

I for one would much rather use a Wii Mote to play a FPS shooter than use duel analog. If it's done well that is. The reason the Wii doesn't have great FPS's is that there isn't a market for the genre from the system's audiance.

Obviously anyone who is questioning the WiiMote's FPS capability hasn't played Metroid Prime 3; though it isn't a true FPS it feels a lot like one and it controls great.



Nick on 05 May 2009
Vetteman94 said:
Nick said:
Vetteman94 said:
Nick said:

You're points are very valid, but unfortunately you're wasting your time. He'll disregard any logic that you might post. Just as you illustrated with the 2 sticks and a robotic arm question. The Wiimote is much much much more similar to holding a gun than dual analog will ever be. Is it the same as holding a gun? No. Is it closer than two joysticks? Of course.

@Vetteman94 : "Dont question my maturity level, just because I disagreed with you because you tried to present your opinion as fact." ---- I question your maturity level because instead of having a discussion you simply attack.

I was having a discussion but you kept talking like the entire gaming industry knows that the Wiimote is the best control scheme for FPS games. I asked for proof, you could not give me one. So I called BS and was saying it was your opinion, thats how it works, dont post something that you cant backup with facts.

 

And you were doing the exact same thing. Unfortunately nothing is ever really a fact to someone who disagree's with it. Just like if I said sandpaper is rough you could call that an opinion and say you think it's smooth, but really... it is rough. I gave you plenty of logical proof, but you can always call it an opinion. The wiimote is as close to a light gun as any of the consoles offer and light guns are considered (by most) to be great for shooters. That is an opinion, but also a truth. They don't put a joystick to control the crosshairs of arcade light gun games for a reason.

A fact is: a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. In reality you could say anything is an opinion and be correct. I understand your position on things and respect it even if I disagree.

Lets just agree to disagree.

 

Sandpaper, thats the analogy you came up with? There you go again saying that everyone knows that the Wiimote is the best controller for gaming, except me. Problem with that is no matter what I said about sandpaper the entire woodworking industry knows that sandpaper is rough. Nothing like that has ever been established by the gaming industry for the Wiimote. You logic was full of holes, expecially since I mentioned that I had experience with the Wiimote but you didn like that I disagreed with your statement.

So all I am going to say is, please stop treating the Wiimote like everyone in the gaming industry knows that Wiimote is the best for FPS games. The day it happens post the article, and i will apologize, but until then.....

I'm done

There you go again putting words in my mouth.  Everything in this entire world is relative and everything is based on opinion, that is all I said.  I never said everyone thinks it's the best except you.  The entire gaming industry will never 100% agree on anything.  You are also part of the gaming industry and you will never accept that it is better for FPS (plenty of people won't) so that automatically makes what you're asking me to provide you with impossible.  I never asked you to apologize or even change your way of thinking, I only asked you to agree to disagree.  Is that so hard for you to do?



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theRepublic on 05 May 2009

There are actual people who deny that the IR pointer is better than dual analog?

Wow



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Vetteman94 on 06 May 2009
theRepublic said:

There are actual people who deny that the IR pointer is better than dual analog?

Wow

 

 There are actually people that think that Nintendo came up with this idea of an IR pointer and anyone who does the same is copying them, and not the company who originally came up with the idea and concepts. 



c0rd on 06 May 2009

Wait, someone is saying the lack of FPS games on the Wii is proof of the Wii's controls being inferior?

I guess we have proof that the 360's controller is better than PS3's for FPS, then? Not to mention the PC...

People have their own preference when it comes to controllers. However, when we're takling about the highest level of competitive play, there is obviously going to be one choice that is superior to the others. Most people should know, due to technical limitations, dual analog cannot compete with mouse/kb. The Wii's control scheme is far closer to the mouse/kb setup than the dual analog, so the obvious conclusion is... (...)

I still prefer my CoD/Gears on my 360 (currently, due to online / hardware), but that has nothing to do with who would "own" who in a theoretical IR pointer vs dual analog match.

OT: I'd love some Wii-like controls on the PS3, though I think it'd be a waste to try to try this now. It won't be standard, so the whole thing just won't work. Attempt on the next console, IMO.



Aquietguy on 07 May 2009
Phrancheyez said:

 

I wouldn't say Wii players are crap @ FPS, there just aren't nearly as many good players as on the PS360.  I know a few Wii owners who are great at FPS...but he's right when he says the majority of the games and their followers are on the HD consoles, so there's undoubtedly much better competition on those consoles than the Wii.  This is nothing against the Wii or Wii players - as I said, some of you might be really good.  It's just a fact from a demographic standpoint.
Well he(or she) is correct when they said that FPS are more popular on the HD consoles. I agree. But that is not the argument. Neither is what console are the best FPS players use. The argument is how's the wii mote for FPS. I say that it is almost perfect and way better than the traditional controller.