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Words Of Wisdom on 17 September 2007
superchunk said:
My questions is who wins when people buy the dual format players?

 The store retailing them.



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Onimusha12 on 17 September 2007

Waiting for REd-Ray to salvage this mess.



ckmlb on 17 September 2007

Indeed, very old news that was debunked later.

The timing of starting this thread is completely off as now it's not even an issue...

If you had started it back then at least it would have made sense.

Also the format war has everything to do with PS3 and that's obvious.



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LordTheNightKnight on 17 September 2007
Dodece said:
I am not sure whether the PS3 boosters are that smart or that dumb. Most of them are backing the BluRay format. The reasons are quite obvious why. However had the player not been in the PS3 their interest would be quite marginal. They are committed however so they might as well be vocal.

However the dumb reasons are the obvious ones for Sony gaming boosters. What is good for BluRay is good for the PS3. The success of one is linked to the other. For instance if BluRay fails to dominate the market it will hurt the machine. Wanting all of Sony to do well, and validate the choices they have made.

The smart reasons are no less selfish, but show a real understanding as to how dangerous a move Sony made. Betting on a format, and making it into a trojan horse into their hardware not only has short term ramifications, but long term ramifications as well. For instance if BluRay fails. Then Sony still has to support backward compatibility on their next machine, or abandon backward compatibility. That will drive hardware costs up, or at the very least lead to a weaker machine. They could stick with the BluRay format, but it would be more expensive then the dominant technology, and worse they lose functionality for the consumer.

The initial pricing in part due to the BluRay increased the initial cost of their machine. However in the long run it could also make things far more expensive. The short term situation is a obvious lust for some success, but the long term situation shows a desperate need for the format to succeed. Other wise it hurts the prospects on the next machine. That was a massive gamble, and one not sure to pay off granted that HD-DVD is fast approaching the better price point. Like I posted in another thread the price difference is $200 in the United States, and it is $270 for the 360 owner who has the cheapest option. Sony might have seen a boost from the console. However it is doubtful it will win on the pricing front come this holiday season.

Interesting article.

 It's not that big of a risk. You seem to be assuming the costs of the drive have not been, nor will be, decreasing. The costs have gone down. Even if the format does not take off, its capacity and steady read speed do make it viable for gaming (if not vital). Losing the format war would hurt the value of the system, but it wouldn't hurt it as much as you claim, nor including the drive in the next system.



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LordTheNightKnight on 17 September 2007
dallas said:

All of the studios would be willing to switch for the $$$, not just Warner/Paramount etc. If the price offered is high enough, they'll switch in a heartbeat, but it looks like whatever The HD-DVD people offered wasn't worth their while so Warner looks like it will be neutral for a while. And as whether the HDDVD people will be able to win through offering financial incentives, that is a tactic that the BD people have as well, and a more effective one at that since they currently have a lot more corporate support around the format.

 

So, what would be the rational awnser to the question of which format will win?


 The rational answer is that you can't predict the future based on assuming currect factors will not change.



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Morgyn on 17 September 2007

@Dodece

There is a massive difference in having an opinion and having an agenda. An agenda is an aim to do something, which is what I'm suggesting is the case here.

Your assumption that pointing out someone's agenda means that you have an agenda as well is false and at best misinformed.

But you know, good try at trolling. *golfclaps*



sieanr on 17 September 2007
Morgyn said:
@Dodece

There is a massive difference in having an opinion and having an agenda. An agenda is an aim to do something, which is what I'm suggesting is the case here.

Your assumption that pointing out someone's agenda means that you have an agenda as well is false and at best misinformed.

But you know, good try at trolling. *golfclaps*

As was used in this thread, I believe you were using agenda as a synonym for bias - and everyone has bias.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

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soccerdrew17 on 17 September 2007
etuoyo said:
starcraft said:
Hus said:
some good anti ps3 threads x dude.

to bad they are all bs.

I wasn't aware that the High-Def format war had anything to do with the PS3. Unless you are implying that Sony "trojan-horsed" Blu Ray into the PS3 in an attempt to cynically make gamers pay for an expense that should have been shouldered by industry?

Still, thanks for the constructive comment.


I think its clear to everyone except the most deluded playstation fanatics that Sony did trojan-horse Blu Ray into the PS3 in an attempt to cynically make gamers pay for an expense that should have been shouldered by the industry. Some of the most deluded playstation/sony fanatics do see this but they are so blinded by their love for playstation/sony that they think this is a totally acceptable cost for them to bear.


 Why is it that people call teh ps3 a trojan horse?  there was absolutely nothing surprising about it.  it was  meant as a blu ray player that would get a huge boost from its playstation brand. 

 

i did buy a ps3 at $500 to play games, when i get an hdtv soon it will be worth more than that to me.  some ps3 owners arent deluded, but actually think its a pretty darn good system.



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i officially boycott boycotts.  crap.

ckmlb on 17 September 2007
etuoyo said:
starcraft said:
Hus said:
some good anti ps3 threads x dude.

to bad they are all bs.

I wasn't aware that the High-Def format war had anything to do with the PS3. Unless you are implying that Sony "trojan-horsed" Blu Ray into the PS3 in an attempt to cynically make gamers pay for an expense that should have been shouldered by industry?

Still, thanks for the constructive comment.


I think its clear to everyone except the most deluded playstation fanatics that Sony did trojan-horse Blu Ray into the PS3 in an attempt to cynically make gamers pay for an expense that should have been shouldered by the industry. Some of the most deluded playstation/sony fanatics do see this but they are so blinded by their love for playstation/sony that they think this is a totally acceptable cost for them to bear.


You do know that Sony loses money on each PS3 sold right? They were losing more before but are still losing money now, how is that making the customer shoulder the price when you are willing to lose money to increase the BR/PS3 userbase?



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z64dan on 17 September 2007

I think going exclusive-anything is pretty dumb at this point. Why would you want to alienate 40-60% of HD owners (depending on which camp you support) by only supporting 1 format? Doesn't really make business sense...