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akuma587 said:
Tyrannical said:
Time for the US to tighten it's belt on social spending, and the easiest way to do that is to expel non-productive non-US citizens. We have to look after our own first.

You know that Hitler misdirected rage about the economy towards minorities too...right?  Do you really think immigrants were responsible for anything that happened or will have a material impact on recovery?  Or is this just an excuse you are using to advance an anti-immigrant policy?

 

 

 I said non-productive non-US citizens. Those that consume more in government services then what they pay back through taxes. They are a net drain on our resources. The US is obligated to look after it's own citizens first. When economic times are good, we can affor to be more charitable.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

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We should get rid of Alaska then. They take in $1.84 in federal dollars for every $1.00 they send out in federal tax dollars.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:

We should get rid of Alaska then. They take in $1.84 in federal dollars for every $1.00 they send out in federal tax dollars.

 

 The US has an obligation to it's citizens, which of course Alaskans are. We have no such obligation to those here illegaly, nor to those that wish to immigrate here.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:

We should get rid of Alaska then. They take in $1.84 in federal dollars for every $1.00 they send out in federal tax dollars.

 

 The US has an obligation to it's citizens, which of course Alaskans are. We have no such obligation to those here illegaly, nor to those that wish to immigrate here.

Why?  Isn't it more effective to keep the people who are more productive?  Shouldn't we worry about the needs of the many rather than just the few?

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:

We should get rid of Alaska then. They take in $1.84 in federal dollars for every $1.00 they send out in federal tax dollars.

 

 The US has an obligation to it's citizens, which of course Alaskans are. We have no such obligation to those here illegaly, nor to those that wish to immigrate here.

Why?  Isn't it more effective to keep the people who are more productive?  Shouldn't we worry about the needs of the many rather than just the few?

 

The needs of US citizens should always be the US government's top concern. What's the purpose of government if not to benefit it's citizens?

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Around the Network

6.1%,Well that was kind of expected to be honest.



Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:
Tyrannical said:
Time for the US to tighten it's belt on social spending, and the easiest way to do that is to expel non-productive non-US citizens. We have to look after our own first.

You know that Hitler misdirected rage about the economy towards minorities too...right?  Do you really think immigrants were responsible for anything that happened or will have a material impact on recovery?  Or is this just an excuse you are using to advance an anti-immigrant policy?

 

 

 I said non-productive non-US citizens. Those that consume more in government services then what they pay back through taxes. They are a net drain on our resources. The US is obligated to look after it's own citizens first. When economic times are good, we can affor to be more charitable.

 

If that were true, the first thing the government should do is dismantle the military forces. As a whole the US military costs a shitton more than it generates for society. Nowadays a bunch of nuclears and a small task force is all is needed.

But hey, I forgot somewhat the concept of a fiscal blackhole such as the military forces is at the core of the republican beliefs. Guess someone has to lobby to keep hundreds of thousands of people on the government payroll.





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Bitmap Frogs said:

If that were true, the first thing the government should do is dismantle the military forces. As a whole the US military costs a shitton more than it generates for society. Nowadays a bunch of nuclears and a small task force is all is needed.

But hey, I forgot somewhat the concept of a fiscal blackhole such as the military forces is at the core of the republican beliefs. Guess someone has to lobby to keep hundreds of thousands of people on the government payroll.


The Military was (probably) a very poorly chosen target ... They were only 21% of the budget in 2008 (and will be dramatically less in 2009 and beyond); the military trains a lot of people for productive careers which are available in the private sector; the Military pays for a lot of people to go to university; the Military gives their soldiers discipline, personal motivation and self respect (which results in people far less likely to commit crime or be dependant on the government); and the Military spends an amazingly large amount of their money on Research and Development which results in new technologies which work their way into tons of products.

... In other words, the Military is far from a fiscal blackhole and military members (and everyone) benefits from the spending even if you don't consider safety



It seems like Hitler is mentioned in a lot of the off-topic threads. As for the economy, I just bought a new car, so I am doing my part.



akuma587 said:

We should get rid of Alaska then. They take in $1.84 in federal dollars for every $1.00 they send out in federal tax dollars.

You'd be surprised.

The minute Alaska was "let go" they would suddenly be making a lot more money then that $0.84 net gain they're getting from the federal government.

Because they'd start drilling for oil and getting other resources the US government doesn't want them to have.

Also... it's not like Tyranical doesn't have a point here.

I'm not sure it'd do much good for unempoyment and the economy... but there are still tons of illegal immigrants here who are a drain on the economy.

Some even get Medicaid.

Getting rid of illegal immigrants would stop this drain.  Plus.... they're here illegally.

Of course the problem is it'll be as expensive as hell to get rid of them.