I think a civil war is brewing under the surface in the US between groups that want the nation to move into the future and those that want to keep it locked into some bible-based, traditional conservative America on the ideological side and on the economic front I think this is also being fueled by those that have (those that have become exceedingly wealthy in America like those that frequent Tea Party gatherings and are saying they will refuse to let the government put higher taxes in order to help out the poor) and the have nots (those that listened to Obama's messages, elected him president, and are eagerly awaiting the improvements that he has promised to bring to their lives).

One side the conservative, rich is being vitriolic in their statements about Obama and his plans on popular but heavily biased media sources like Fox news or Rush Limbaugh which appeal to uneducated, racist, grounded in the past types of people that have little reason to want to move into a bold, new future full of opportunity for all.  While opened-minded people with the ability to think for themselves generally college educated people can see the good that Obama and the liberals want to bring to the majority of  Americans.

I think Obama will be easily elected to a second term.  Who can the Republicans run as President next time?  Yet another candidate looking to an imaginary conservative past with an economic ideal of keeping the poor poor and the rich rich while holding them all in a fascism generated by the dead principles of a "religious right" which the conservatives want?  Most people can see beyond the limited visions of those kinds of characters now.

So, when Obama is re-elected as he will be, I think you will see the tensions between the factions I've outlined above come to a boil.  I fear the US will enter a time of great civil unrest between these groups and in the worst case scenario there could be a civil war between those with grounded interest of preserving the status quo of the past and those wanting to move into the bold new future.

What do you think?

Your bias is immediately apparent!

There isn't a "Good" side who wants to "Move the country into the future" and a "Bad" side who wants to "Move the country into the past" ... What you have is individuals and multiple groups who have very different views on what the problems facing the country are, how to handle them, and what the result of current governmental action will be. Most people who were part of the tea parties are of fairly modest/typical wealth for Americans and believe that building up massive debt is a form of taxation on the young (too young to vote) and unborn

A lot of people are worried about the active involvement the government is taking in the economy with companies like GM and the Big Banks ... They have basically ignored constitutional protections, avoided using existing structures to handle problems within the economy, and have scapegoated their "partners" the second something unpopular happened because of their intervention.

There are countless legitimate concerns that people have, and in the time it took you to right your post you could have read up on people's complaints and realized how horribly uninformed you are.

     I'm sure that a sizeable proportion of those that go to Tea Parties make over $250,000.00 a year and are doing so because they don't want any of their wealth to be redistributed to the poor through higher taxes on those in their income group.  I'm equally sure that poorer white people who attend such groups generally have a low level of education and are doing so because they don't like having a black president in the US.

     I would be interested to see a demographical breakdown that shows how many African Americans attended Tea Parties versus the number of wealthier (incomes of $250,000.00 a year wage earners) white people attend and / or organize tea parties. 

First off, income is an awful metric on how wealthy someone is because income levels are heavily related to the cost of living in a particular area and people can (often) be much "wealthier" earning $60,000 in a less expensive area than $100,000 in a more expensive area ...

Beyond that different wealthy people support both parties and their political actions in a large part because they benefit from it ... While there are some wealthy people who would like to pay less taxes (even though the top 10% of earners pay more taxes than the bottom 90% combined) there are also lots of really rich people (like Bill Gates) who can off-load their expenses (like building a bridge between Microsoft's two campuses) to the government and pocket the savings.

The fact is that the real problem in America is that both sides of the political spectrum have legitimate concerns, and no matter how much people promise to be "Bi-Partisan" they always ignore the other side of an issue for political gain and it takes much longer to fix any problems (at a much higher cost) ...

Now, sice you want Black people who disagree with Obama you should check out the ZoNation videos on Youtube ... The host is very well spoken and quite entertaining.

I see a rising anti-immigration movement due to a poor economy and rising unemployment.

      If the people are living in an area where there cost of living is taking such a huge chunk out of their earnings, then they need to move.

  "(even though the top 10% of earners pay more taxes than the bottom 90% combined)"

That's cherry picking because if one person is making $15,000.00 a year but has $5,000.00 taken out of their paycheck each year still has much less funds available to them for quality healthcare than someone that is making $250,000.00 a year and has $50,000.00 taken out at the end of the year in taxes.

"The fact is that the real problem in America is that both sides of the political spectrum have legitimate concerns, and no matter how much people promise to be "Bi-Partisan" they always ignore the other side of an issue for political gain and it takes much longer to fix any problems (at a much higher cost) ..."

Well, depending on how wide the tensions grow between the parties on both sides of this spectrum, then there could be a civil war and / or civil unrest in the US supporting my main point in this thread.

"Now, sice you want Black people who disagree with Obama you should check out the ZoNation videos on Youtube ... The host is very well spoken and quite entertaining."

Might be interesting to find out.  But I usually find that the black people that don't agree with Obama are pretty much like the racist poor whites.  They're generally being Uncle Toms for people like Hannity and Limbaugh or they don't like the fact that Obama is willing to give cabinet positions to white people and wants to help out all people instead of just black people.

I said this in another thread, but I will say it again for those that never read it.

• I live on 14 acres of land, with 1,200 feet of lake shore.
• My house is 2,300 square feet, with 4 bedrooms, two and a half baths.
• I drive a 2000 Porsche 911 convertible, and a 2001 fully loaded 4x4 Chevy Pickup
• I have a boat
• I have all three gaming systems, 5 computers (2 Mac’s, 30” Dell display, and high end gaming rig), a 50” 1080p HDTV, and a fairly high end sound system (Denon receiver and Polk speakers).
• I have a fully decked out workout room, with free weights, heavy bag, spin bike, flat panel TV and DVD player, the works.
• I go on a nice vacation a year (cruise though the Caribbean, or a week in Mexico usually)

I could go on, but that should be enough to put a good reference around my standard of living. I bought everything I own. I am 39 years old and have never made more than 80K a year.

What does 80K a year buy in your country?

I hate what my country is becoming, but do I sound like someone willing to start a civil war over it? No, if I get too pissed, I will just go fishing ;)

 Maybe you're not rich enough to worry about pennies and yet rich enough to not be in a circumstance where the health insurance that one buys from the company they work for won't even pay for a simple operation and where paying $10.00 a day for gas to drive to work each day five days a week takes a significant amount out of the $175.00 a week your bosses pay you in a company where the only ones that get any real promotions are family members of the bosses.

Yes I do. Hold on tx you might get banned for this kind of thread I had a similar one and it got flamed to hell and I responded. Oh well. Yeah, this country sports an increasingly widening U-shape political compass. Many are either to the extreme left or right. Usually, this is the political canvass before civil wars and revolutions. Now am I saying it will be violent? I hope not. It may be on a scale of the Reagan Revolution, however.

When I was 21, I was poor enough to not own a car, have health insurance, own a home (I rented a small apartment with a roommate), or feed myself properly (one month I ate nothing but waffles). Gas was not $10.00 a day, I rode a bike 15 miles to work and home.

I was lucky enough to live in a country where I could take the opportunities available, and do more then bitch about what the next guy gets.

There are millions of people in this country who put forth a lot less effort then me, and have a lot more. If I looked at my life, and all that I have, and felt sorry for myself because someone else has more, I would be on pathetic individual.

If you want more out of life, and live in the US, start working towards a better life. No one is responsible for your well being, other then you. If you want people to feel sorry for where you are, or where other people in low income positions are, look elsewhere. I lived it, and I know why people still live it.

Get off your ass and do something for yourself, and stop looking for someone else to do it for you.

(speaking to those that live in the US, not sure if other countries have governments that allow them to excel.)