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Dinomax on 23 April 2009

*psst* Heres a secret.

There were great, well really..fantastic first person shooters before Halo on a magical platform called the PC.

I know, that thing in front of you plays other thins than PORN *slaps cheek in shock.*



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Lostplanet22 on 23 April 2009
lestatdark said:
Lostplanet22 said:
ithis said:
^^ Because it was labeled a Halo killer? I doubt there were no shooters for the consoles before Halo, so there would have been shooters for the consoles without Halo.

Half, it was very clear that after the succes of Halo that Sony wanted to have an FPS aswell for the PS2.

 

 

 Erm....you're wrong. Red Faction released at the same time for the PS2, so the FPS genre was on the PS2 at the same time. It just wasn't as succesfull as Halo, but Halo wasn't the impulsor for FPS on a sony console, it was the success of FPS on computers that had sony gunning for a succesfull console FPS

 

 An succesfull FPS like Halo =p.



 

mjc2021 on 23 April 2009
lestatdark said:
mjc2021 said:
I think people forget that the original Halo came out in 2001. It was far more advanced than every game before it even most FPS games years after. It was a huge hit as well so I'm sure it inspired many games.

I beg to differ, Halo didn't advance much the formula that was already perfected by Half-Life, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament and Quake 3, released two years prior to Halo. Halo revolutionised the FPS genre on the consoles indeed, but computer FPS have done the same things or even better than Halo did at the time.

 

I'm not saying there weren't great FPS games already. But Halo took it to another level and became the new benchmark. To say future FPS games weren't inspired by Halo is very naive.

 



lestatdark on 23 April 2009
Lostplanet22 said:
lestatdark said:
Lostplanet22 said:
ithis said:
^^ Because it was labeled a Halo killer? I doubt there were no shooters for the consoles before Halo, so there would have been shooters for the consoles without Halo.

Half, it was very clear that after the succes of Halo that Sony wanted to have an FPS aswell for the PS2.

 

 

 Erm....you're wrong. Red Faction released at the same time for the PS2, so the FPS genre was on the PS2 at the same time. It just wasn't as succesfull as Halo, but Halo wasn't the impulsor for FPS on a sony console, it was the success of FPS on computers that had sony gunning for a succesfull console FPS

 

 An succesfull FPS like Halo =p.

Perhaps you're right, but that's more the case with the PS3 that it was with the PS2, because the only main FPS the console had was Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Red Faction and Black. It wasn't the FPS competitor that it is now with the PS3. IMO, the first Resistance is the best FPS i've seen in a Sony Console and it was a good step forward from what they did with the PS2

 



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lestatdark on 23 April 2009
mjc2021 said:
lestatdark said:
mjc2021 said:
I think people forget that the original Halo came out in 2001. It was far more advanced than every game before it even most FPS games years after. It was a huge hit as well so I'm sure it inspired many games.

I beg to differ, Halo didn't advance much the formula that was already perfected by Half-Life, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament and Quake 3, released two years prior to Halo. Halo revolutionised the FPS genre on the consoles indeed, but computer FPS have done the same things or even better than Halo did at the time.

 

I'm not saying there weren't great FPS games already. But Halo took it to another level and became the new benchmark. To say future FPS games weren't inspired by Halo is very naive.

 

Sorry for the double post.

Well you said that it was more advanced that the games before it, and i was just giving a different opinion. In most old gamers eyes, the only really different thing that Halo gave us was the regenerating Health/Shield system, because the strategies used in the game are the same used in all FPS's. Also, i'm not sure if you know it, Halo just improved on Marathon, the very first game made by bungie. If you play that game, you'll see the basis of both games are equal in some aspects.
Also i can give you exemples of FPS games that came before halo that weren't inspired by anything that is Halo. Doom 3, Quake 4, Half life 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Team Fortress 2, Bioshock...

 



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Reasonable on 23 April 2009

Nope. Because Halo (and 2 & 3) offers nothing that hadn't already been provided by PC FPS titles.

Like pretty much all good titles the Halo series added a few interesting refinements (2 gun minimum, recharging shields) but nothing groundbreak in terms of FPS or online play per se.

It did raise the bar through the roof for FPS/online on consoles though, however in terms of recent big FPS titles I still see more influence from PC roots than Halo directly.



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leatherhat on 23 April 2009

Halo is responsible only for the massive amounts of generic shooting games on consoles. It is probably the worst game to ever happen to the the genre because due to its popularity it got copied for thousands of worthless console fps games. To anyone who thinks different I recommend getting a PC and finding out what true fps games are like. Done with that rant



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Jereel Hunter on 23 April 2009
lestatdark said:
mjc2021 said:
lestatdark said:
mjc2021 said:
I think people forget that the original Halo came out in 2001. It was far more advanced than every game before it even most FPS games years after. It was a huge hit as well so I'm sure it inspired many games.

I beg to differ, Halo didn't advance much the formula that was already perfected by Half-Life, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament and Quake 3, released two years prior to Halo. Halo revolutionised the FPS genre on the consoles indeed, but computer FPS have done the same things or even better than Halo did at the time.

 

I'm not saying there weren't great FPS games already. But Halo took it to another level and became the new benchmark. To say future FPS games weren't inspired by Halo is very naive.

 

Sorry for the double post.

Well you said that it was more advanced that the games before it, and i was just giving a different opinion. In most old gamers eyes, the only really different thing that Halo gave us was the regenerating Health/Shield system, because the strategies used in the game are the same used in all FPS's. Also, i'm not sure if you know it, Halo just improved on Marathon, the very first game made by bungie. If you play that game, you'll see the basis of both games are equal in some aspects.
Also i can give you exemples of FPS games that came before halo that weren't inspired by anything that is Halo. Doom 3, Quake 4, Half life 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Team Fortress 2, Bioshock...

Well, a FPS where you could hop into vehicles and use gunners was pretty new. Especially combined with 4 player split screen. Halo took the best ideas and merged them all, without sacrificing anything. Combined with the vast number of multiplayer options and a really deep immersive storyline.... It was quite a game. And while PC had great FPS, it didn't have ANYTHING with all of that, so bringing it to a console was even more impressive. It just showed that FPS could not only exist on consoles, but deliver an experience as good as a PC FPS. (And even give added bonuses like split screen, which PCs can't give)



Reasonable on 23 April 2009
mjc2021 said:
lestatdark said:
mjc2021 said:
I think people forget that the original Halo came out in 2001. It was far more advanced than every game before it even most FPS games years after. It was a huge hit as well so I'm sure it inspired many games.

I beg to differ, Halo didn't advance much the formula that was already perfected by Half-Life, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament and Quake 3, released two years prior to Halo. Halo revolutionised the FPS genre on the consoles indeed, but computer FPS have done the same things or even better than Halo did at the time.

 

I'm not saying there weren't great FPS games already. But Halo took it to another level and became the new benchmark. To say future FPS games weren't inspired by Halo is very naive.

 

 

Nope.  Halo took the concept of FPS on console to a another level - not FPS games.  Halo in fact trailed most PC FPS as did 2 & 3 in terms of features/concepts.  Halo was/is a great FPS, but it certainly didn't raise the genre outside of consoles.

 



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Jereel Hunter on 23 April 2009
leatherhat said:
Halo is responsible only for the massive amounts of generic shooting games on consoles. It is probably the worst game to ever happen to the the genre because due to its popularity it got copied for thousands of worthless console fps games. To anyone who thinks different I recommend getting a PC and finding out what true fps games are like. Done with that rant

How can you blame something revolutionary for the generic things it inspires? When Halo came out, it was amazing. Do you blame your favorite cereals for generic store brands? Do you shake your fist at the Model T because it ultimately brought us Kias?