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killeryoshis on 24 April 2009

Why are we talking abou history.



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c03n3nj0 on 24 April 2009
killeryoshis said:
Why are we talking abou history. Are we that bored.

 

History isn't boring, in fact, it's my favorite class.



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killeryoshis on 24 April 2009
c03n3nj0 said:
killeryoshis said:
Why are we talking abou history. Are we that bored.

 

History isn't boring, in fact, it's my favorite class.

hmm RPG fan?

 



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tarheel91 on 24 April 2009
killeryoshis said:
Why are we talking abou history. Are we that bored.

 

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c03n3nj0 on 24 April 2009
killeryoshis said:
c03n3nj0 said:
killeryoshis said:
Why are we talking abou history. Are we that bored.

 

History isn't boring, in fact, it's my favorite class.

hmm RPG fan?

 

 

Yes, although I haven't playe many RPGs... >_>



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Kasz216 on 24 April 2009
tarheel91 said:
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
sc94597 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Well our country may not be old, but I would like to say we have had more significant inventions than any other country.


Except Egypt, they invented Beer, that trumps eerything we have ever done

I know I said I'm out of this thread, but this just had to be replied too.

British inventions include

  • The computer
  • Penicilin
  • World wide web
  • Jet engine
  • Microphone
  • Steam engine
  • Electric transformer
  • Light bulb (Joseph Wilson Swan)
  • Flushing toilet
  • Calculus
  • Electromagnet
  • The police
  • Telephone
  • Radio
  • Insulin
  • Beta-blockers
  • English language (what are you speaking?)

That's not even covering 5% of them I reckon, and not even including the scientific advances we gave the world such as Laws of gravity and the theory of Evolution.

Also, that's just Britain, let's get Persia, Holland, Germany and Mesopotamia in on this act, they even kick our asses.

P.S. that's it from me for now.

I'm fine with all of them except the bolded. You CANNOT invent a language. Languages are formed from dialects of other languages becoming more distinct until they are so distinct that they are not able to be understood by any of the root(s) language(s). In the case of english it was formed by germanic dialects from angles and the saxons with the addition of latin roots from the french spoken by the Normans, and tons of smaller additions from other languages. The germanic language that English,German,Dutch,and all germanic languages root from came from the Indo European languages which include all languages that fall into these categories(Albanian, Anatolian,Armenian,Balto-Slavic,Celtic,Germanic,Hellenic,Indo-Iranian,Italic, and Tocharian.)  Then indo-european rooted even more to older languages, and you could go on until you find a root language that was spoken by the humans that lived in Africa. So no, the English didn't "Invent" the English language, and no they weren't the only ones to make contributions to it.

 

 

Edit: Oh and btw, Americans or any other English speakers of whom are of English decent and have Anglo Saxon ancestors have the same stance as English citizens of whom have Anglo-Saxon ancestors in stating that they "invented" the language, if it were true that you could "invent" a language.

 

Yeah, although English began to develop in England, it's hardly something they invented.  English started off as Low German that ended up being mixed with French, and then Latin.  Plus, a language continues to develop over time, and you can't really say it's ever done and invented.

 

@Kasz: Although bits and pieces were developed well before England, modern Calculus can mainly be attributed to Sir Isaac Newton (English) and Leibniz (German).  Still, though, it's half English half German, and we wouldn't have a lot of useful things like dy/dx notation for derivatives without Leibniz.  I don't think you can really claim calculus for England.

That's like saying the guy who invented the wheel was the first guy who decided to use rubber on the wheel.

Or that Apple was the first people to invent the Ipod or something.

 

No, not really.  Only tiny bits and pieces of Calculus were developed before Newton.  Most of it was pretty narrow in scope and had limited applicaiton.  Newton and Leibniz created almost everything we use in Calculus today.  I don't think you'd suggest that the person who got the first dot to recognize imput to move around the screen was the first creator of video games.  That's only one tiny component of it all.

By the way, I'm simply regurgitating what my physics teacher told me; she happens to have her Masters in applied mathematics and physics.

Not the same thing.


Lets say I write a fictional book that mentions "There Space Man Jones met a Kalzarian once."

Then someone else wrote a spinoff about many the Kalzarians and created an elaborate backstory for them a history... made them more then a name.

Who "invented" the Kalzarians? 

I did.



killeryoshis on 24 April 2009
tarheel91 said:
killeryoshis said:
Why are we talking abou history. Are we that bored.

 

Forum Rules under Substance:

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 I didn't say it sucked i'm just wondering why we r talking about this. That won't be fair. Curiousity

can't get me in trouble.



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tarheel91 on 24 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
sc94597 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Well our country may not be old, but I would like to say we have had more significant inventions than any other country.


Except Egypt, they invented Beer, that trumps eerything we have ever done

I know I said I'm out of this thread, but this just had to be replied too.

British inventions include

  • The computer
  • Penicilin
  • World wide web
  • Jet engine
  • Microphone
  • Steam engine
  • Electric transformer
  • Light bulb (Joseph Wilson Swan)
  • Flushing toilet
  • Calculus
  • Electromagnet
  • The police
  • Telephone
  • Radio
  • Insulin
  • Beta-blockers
  • English language (what are you speaking?)

That's not even covering 5% of them I reckon, and not even including the scientific advances we gave the world such as Laws of gravity and the theory of Evolution.

Also, that's just Britain, let's get Persia, Holland, Germany and Mesopotamia in on this act, they even kick our asses.

P.S. that's it from me for now.

I'm fine with all of them except the bolded. You CANNOT invent a language. Languages are formed from dialects of other languages becoming more distinct until they are so distinct that they are not able to be understood by any of the root(s) language(s). In the case of english it was formed by germanic dialects from angles and the saxons with the addition of latin roots from the french spoken by the Normans, and tons of smaller additions from other languages. The germanic language that English,German,Dutch,and all germanic languages root from came from the Indo European languages which include all languages that fall into these categories(Albanian, Anatolian,Armenian,Balto-Slavic,Celtic,Germanic,Hellenic,Indo-Iranian,Italic, and Tocharian.)  Then indo-european rooted even more to older languages, and you could go on until you find a root language that was spoken by the humans that lived in Africa. So no, the English didn't "Invent" the English language, and no they weren't the only ones to make contributions to it.

 

 

Edit: Oh and btw, Americans or any other English speakers of whom are of English decent and have Anglo Saxon ancestors have the same stance as English citizens of whom have Anglo-Saxon ancestors in stating that they "invented" the language, if it were true that you could "invent" a language.

 

Yeah, although English began to develop in England, it's hardly something they invented.  English started off as Low German that ended up being mixed with French, and then Latin.  Plus, a language continues to develop over time, and you can't really say it's ever done and invented.

 

@Kasz: Although bits and pieces were developed well before England, modern Calculus can mainly be attributed to Sir Isaac Newton (English) and Leibniz (German).  Still, though, it's half English half German, and we wouldn't have a lot of useful things like dy/dx notation for derivatives without Leibniz.  I don't think you can really claim calculus for England.

That's like saying the guy who invented the wheel was the first guy who decided to use rubber on the wheel.

Or that Apple was the first people to invent the Ipod or something.

 

No, not really.  Only tiny bits and pieces of Calculus were developed before Newton.  Most of it was pretty narrow in scope and had limited applicaiton.  Newton and Leibniz created almost everything we use in Calculus today.  I don't think you'd suggest that the person who got the first dot to recognize imput to move around the screen was the first creator of video games.  That's only one tiny component of it all.

By the way, I'm simply regurgitating what my physics teacher told me; she happens to have her Masters in applied mathematics and physics.

Not the same thing.


Lets say I write a fictional book that mentions "There Space Man Jones met a Kalzarian once."

Then someone else wrote a spinoff about many the Kalzarians and created an elaborate backstory for them a history... made them more then a name.

Who "invented" the Kalzarians? 

I did.

 

However, Kalzarian is central to everything that guy made, and you came up with it.  Again, the smalls parts of Calculus invented before 400 A.D. were pretty narrow in scope and not really core to anything.  Sure, figuring out a way to find the area in a circle in a manner similar to the concept of integrals is cool, but that's hardly central to calculus as a whole.  Important too is that Newton didn't build off their ideas.  He invented calculus wholely on his own as a response to the limitations existing mathetmatics was placing on his experimenting in physics.



Kasz216 on 24 April 2009
tarheel91 said:
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
sc94597 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Well our country may not be old, but I would like to say we have had more significant inventions than any other country.


Except Egypt, they invented Beer, that trumps eerything we have ever done

I know I said I'm out of this thread, but this just had to be replied too.

British inventions include

  • The computer
  • Penicilin
  • World wide web
  • Jet engine
  • Microphone
  • Steam engine
  • Electric transformer
  • Light bulb (Joseph Wilson Swan)
  • Flushing toilet
  • Calculus
  • Electromagnet
  • The police
  • Telephone
  • Radio
  • Insulin
  • Beta-blockers
  • English language (what are you speaking?)

That's not even covering 5% of them I reckon, and not even including the scientific advances we gave the world such as Laws of gravity and the theory of Evolution.

Also, that's just Britain, let's get Persia, Holland, Germany and Mesopotamia in on this act, they even kick our asses.

P.S. that's it from me for now.

I'm fine with all of them except the bolded. You CANNOT invent a language. Languages are formed from dialects of other languages becoming more distinct until they are so distinct that they are not able to be understood by any of the root(s) language(s). In the case of english it was formed by germanic dialects from angles and the saxons with the addition of latin roots from the french spoken by the Normans, and tons of smaller additions from other languages. The germanic language that English,German,Dutch,and all germanic languages root from came from the Indo European languages which include all languages that fall into these categories(Albanian, Anatolian,Armenian,Balto-Slavic,Celtic,Germanic,Hellenic,Indo-Iranian,Italic, and Tocharian.)  Then indo-european rooted even more to older languages, and you could go on until you find a root language that was spoken by the humans that lived in Africa. So no, the English didn't "Invent" the English language, and no they weren't the only ones to make contributions to it.

 

 

Edit: Oh and btw, Americans or any other English speakers of whom are of English decent and have Anglo Saxon ancestors have the same stance as English citizens of whom have Anglo-Saxon ancestors in stating that they "invented" the language, if it were true that you could "invent" a language.

 

Yeah, although English began to develop in England, it's hardly something they invented.  English started off as Low German that ended up being mixed with French, and then Latin.  Plus, a language continues to develop over time, and you can't really say it's ever done and invented.

 

@Kasz: Although bits and pieces were developed well before England, modern Calculus can mainly be attributed to Sir Isaac Newton (English) and Leibniz (German).  Still, though, it's half English half German, and we wouldn't have a lot of useful things like dy/dx notation for derivatives without Leibniz.  I don't think you can really claim calculus for England.

That's like saying the guy who invented the wheel was the first guy who decided to use rubber on the wheel.

Or that Apple was the first people to invent the Ipod or something.

 

No, not really.  Only tiny bits and pieces of Calculus were developed before Newton.  Most of it was pretty narrow in scope and had limited applicaiton.  Newton and Leibniz created almost everything we use in Calculus today.  I don't think you'd suggest that the person who got the first dot to recognize imput to move around the screen was the first creator of video games.  That's only one tiny component of it all.

By the way, I'm simply regurgitating what my physics teacher told me; she happens to have her Masters in applied mathematics and physics.

Not the same thing.


Lets say I write a fictional book that mentions "There Space Man Jones met a Kalzarian once."

Then someone else wrote a spinoff about many the Kalzarians and created an elaborate backstory for them a history... made them more then a name.

Who "invented" the Kalzarians? 

I did.

 

However, Kalzarian is central to everything that guy made, and you came up with it.  Again, the smalls parts of Calculus invented before 400 A.D. were pretty narrow in scope and not really core to anything.  Sure, figuring out a way to find the area in a circle in a manner similar to the concept of integrals is cool, but that's hardly central to calculus as a whole.  Important too is that Newton didn't build off their ideas.  He invented calculus wholely on his own as a response to the limitations existing mathetmatics was placing on his experimenting in physics.

I don't think it is important that newton didn't build off their ideas/

Afterall... another example.  I find a coin from an ancient civilization.

Another guy later finds a city for said civilization not knowing i found the coin.

I still was the one that discovered that civilization.

Others long uncovered the first parts of Calculus before him.  Which is another issue by the way.  Calculus wasn't invented it was discovered.  Like how atoms weren't invented by anyone... they were discovered.

 



tarheel91 on 24 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
Kasz216 said:
tarheel91 said:
sc94597 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Vetteman94 said:
Well our country may not be old, but I would like to say we have had more significant inventions than any other country.


Except Egypt, they invented Beer, that trumps eerything we have ever done

I know I said I'm out of this thread, but this just had to be replied too.

British inventions include

  • The computer
  • Penicilin
  • World wide web
  • Jet engine
  • Microphone
  • Steam engine
  • Electric transformer
  • Light bulb (Joseph Wilson Swan)
  • Flushing toilet
  • Calculus
  • Electromagnet
  • The police
  • Telephone
  • Radio
  • Insulin
  • Beta-blockers
  • English language (what are you speaking?)

That's not even covering 5% of them I reckon, and not even including the scientific advances we gave the world such as Laws of gravity and the theory of Evolution.

Also, that's just Britain, let's get Persia, Holland, Germany and Mesopotamia in on this act, they even kick our asses.

P.S. that's it from me for now.

I'm fine with all of them except the bolded. You CANNOT invent a language. Languages are formed from dialects of other languages becoming more distinct until they are so distinct that they are not able to be understood by any of the root(s) language(s). In the case of english it was formed by germanic dialects from angles and the saxons with the addition of latin roots from the french spoken by the Normans, and tons of smaller additions from other languages. The germanic language that English,German,Dutch,and all germanic languages root from came from the Indo European languages which include all languages that fall into these categories(Albanian, Anatolian,Armenian,Balto-Slavic,Celtic,Germanic,Hellenic,Indo-Iranian,Italic, and Tocharian.)  Then indo-european rooted even more to older languages, and you could go on until you find a root language that was spoken by the humans that lived in Africa. So no, the English didn't "Invent" the English language, and no they weren't the only ones to make contributions to it.

 

 

Edit: Oh and btw, Americans or any other English speakers of whom are of English decent and have Anglo Saxon ancestors have the same stance as English citizens of whom have Anglo-Saxon ancestors in stating that they "invented" the language, if it were true that you could "invent" a language.

 

Yeah, although English began to develop in England, it's hardly something they invented.  English started off as Low German that ended up being mixed with French, and then Latin.  Plus, a language continues to develop over time, and you can't really say it's ever done and invented.

 

@Kasz: Although bits and pieces were developed well before England, modern Calculus can mainly be attributed to Sir Isaac Newton (English) and Leibniz (German).  Still, though, it's half English half German, and we wouldn't have a lot of useful things like dy/dx notation for derivatives without Leibniz.  I don't think you can really claim calculus for England.

That's like saying the guy who invented the wheel was the first guy who decided to use rubber on the wheel.

Or that Apple was the first people to invent the Ipod or something.

 

No, not really.  Only tiny bits and pieces of Calculus were developed before Newton.  Most of it was pretty narrow in scope and had limited applicaiton.  Newton and Leibniz created almost everything we use in Calculus today.  I don't think you'd suggest that the person who got the first dot to recognize imput to move around the screen was the first creator of video games.  That's only one tiny component of it all.

By the way, I'm simply regurgitating what my physics teacher told me; she happens to have her Masters in applied mathematics and physics.

Not the same thing.


Lets say I write a fictional book that mentions "There Space Man Jones met a Kalzarian once."

Then someone else wrote a spinoff about many the Kalzarians and created an elaborate backstory for them a history... made them more then a name.

Who "invented" the Kalzarians? 

I did.

 

However, Kalzarian is central to everything that guy made, and you came up with it.  Again, the smalls parts of Calculus invented before 400 A.D. were pretty narrow in scope and not really core to anything.  Sure, figuring out a way to find the area in a circle in a manner similar to the concept of integrals is cool, but that's hardly central to calculus as a whole.  Important too is that Newton didn't build off their ideas.  He invented calculus wholely on his own as a response to the limitations existing mathetmatics was placing on his experimenting in physics.

I don't think it is important that newton didn't build off their ideas/

Afterall... another example.  I find a coin from an ancient civilization.

Another guy later finds a city for said civilization not knowing i found the coin.

I still was the one that discovered that civilization.

Others long uncovered the first parts of Calculus before him.  Which is another issue by the way.  Calculus wasn't invented it was discovered.  Like how atoms weren't invented by anyone... they were discovered.

 

I guess we define discovery/invention differently.  I don't think you discovered that civilization.  A coin is hardly a civilization and can't tell you much about it.

It's harder to say whether you invent or discover in math.  The fact that you can go several paths to reach the same conclusion makes it more like inventing to me, but I see your point because the relationships are there, we just have to discover them.  However, you can look at every invention like that.  The potential for lightbults was always there, someone just had to discover that if you ran electrical current through a highly resistant piece of wire in a piece of glass, it emitted light in a usable manner.

@killeryoshi: Don't even try.  You asked the question as if we shouldn't be, as if history was something not worth discussing (i.e. stupid).  Then, you added to that by suggesting that history sucked so much you'd only discuss it if you were bored.